MH17 was really MH370

The United States is urging all the countries to cooperate on the probe into the crash of the Malaysian MH17 passenger airliner in eastern Ukraine conducted by the Joint Investigation Team, State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert said in a statement on Monday.

WARNING: The video above contains many horrifically graphic images of decomposing and smashed corpses, do not watch if you are at all squeamish.

It is three years since a plane crashed into a field in Ukraine, a plane that the world’s co-opted and controlled media claimed was Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 from Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam.

I am now confident in stating that there never was a flight MH17 from Schiphol, that the whole story is a great stinking pile of bovine fecal matter and the truth is so shocking and disturbing that few outside the online conspiracy folks have dared to even consider it could be true.

The plane that crashed in Ukraine was, in fact, Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 that had disappeared months earlier. The plane was full of corpses – the passengers of MH370, murdered and their bodies preserved with chemicals.

Forget any of the media coverage, it is all lies and distractions, instead, go directly to the primary source – the Ukrainian people who were there on the ground and witnessed exactly what fell from the sky and ended up spread across the landscape.

The video at the top of this article reveals the truth in graphic detail, after viewing it, you will be left in no doubt that this was indeed MH370, complete with it’s cargo of decomposing Asian corpses. In case anything happens to the youtube version, you can also find this video at Liveleak.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbf_1429163375

Here is the accompanying text:

Narrator in possession of over 5000 pictures from Mh17 crash site point out numerous strange anomalies associated with the victims from MH-17.

1) Glowing fluorescent dye near 1st body
2) Strong smell of formaldehyde in air
3) Absence of blood on and around corpses
4) Bloated damp corpses
5) Victims not European looking- she states that most looked Asian
6) Strange dead birds, including a blue and yellow Macaw that is, ironically, the same color as the Ukrainian flag at the 3:10 mark. This is a tropical bird which makes one wonder why it was flying on a plane from Amsterdam to Southeast Asia. Normally, one would expect that such an occurrence may take place the other way round.
7) She states that the cell phone data had no 2014 photos, only photos from 2013.
8) Bluish/black lips on victims
9) She states the passports were all brand new and unused

The British tabloid rag The Daily Star, owned by Zionist Jewish pornographer Richard Desmond has labelled any notion that the official story is not true and that the corpses were stale as ‘outlandish conspiracy theories’, which should be taken as another confirmation that the Zionist criminals are keen to cover up their atrocious mass murder.

‘They were dead BEFORE it crashed’ Shock claim about doomed flight MH17

As we can see from the Sputnik article below, the US is deeply involved in the cover-up and along with Israel, is no doubt behind the whole MH370-MH17 saga.

What I wonder is why have the Russians and Malaysians not exposed this entire farce for the sick and disgusting fairytale it really is. The Russians must have all of the evidence needed to do so as they had days to examine the crash site and they must know at least as much as the locals in Donbass, which is plenty to be able to expose the whole thing.

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Sputnik
US Urges Nations to Cooperate on Joint Investigation Team’s MH17 Crash Probe

On July 17, 2014, Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 was shot down by a missile in eastern Ukraine while flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. All 298 passengers and crew aboard the aircraft died in the incident.

“The United States will continue to support the efforts of the Joint Investigation Team and urges other states to cooperate fully in order to ensure those responsible are brought to justice,” Nauert stated. “As we and the Joint Investigation Team have said, Russian-led forces in eastern Ukraine fired the surface-to-air BUK missile — brought into sovereign Ukrainian territory from Russia — that took down flight MH17.”

Earlier in July, Amsterdam said the trial in the case of the MH17 crash would be held in the Netherlands. Ukraine and the Netherlands are planning on July 7 to sign an agreement on international legal cooperation that will entitle the Dutch side to hold trial, according to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.

“We welcome the team’s recent decision to grant jurisdiction to the Dutch courts for the prosecution of those responsible for this tragedy,” Nauert added. “We have full confidence in the ability of the Dutch criminal justice system to conduct a prosecution that is comprehensive, objective and just.”

The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) tasked with probing the crash announced in September that the MH17 airliner was allegedly downed by a Buk missile system, which was brought from Russia and after the crash returned there. However, Russia’s Almaz-Antey concern rejected findings in the probe, saying that three simulations showed that the missile was launched from the Zaroshchens’ke area, controlled by Ukraine’s army at the time of the downing.

 

 

 

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  1. Werner Kämtner  July 21, 2017 at 9:47 am

    Dear Sir,s, with interest I read all yours comments about MH-17. But I believe we are done with this launch of the aircraft.astray. I have same questions to you. In the passenger-list I find only 298 named male or female, I don’t found any Education which they had? that will very important in the case.Remember the Crime was in the time where the Ebola were on the high point on the Ebola with 11000 peopel die. In Sierra Leone there was a bio war lab ( Kenema ) the virus were out f control just bey fake.I found three top researcher in the passengers list.
    Glenn Thomas was an AIDS and Ebola giant also the WHO media officer and coordinator investigating a US biologicial weapens lab in Kenema. Also Joep Lange a former Aids Researchers and president of international AIDS socciety ( IAS ) with his wife Jacqueline van Tongeren from Amsterdamer Institute for Global Health and Development. Bey the way, just in the time was a Nato Maneuver with Name BREEZE,
    We must ask the Nato,they know it the Ukraine was under total Radarkontrolle.AWACS and BOEING. There we get the answer in this Crime.On the plane MH-17 were some more Experts about Ebola on way to a Ebola conference in Australia, I have seen it, My deep sympathy for murdered relatives. a
    German with greetings all of you.

  2. alfaedah  July 19, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    Ian, Dr Abu Bakar: I’ve held this view that MH17 = MH370 from the very beginning. Assuming they replaced the majority of victims (total 298) for the MH17 job from the MH370 casualty list (283), how do you account for Malaysian MH17 victims list and their NOK ? They’re all crisis actors? I have trouble with acccounting that.

  3. Henry77  July 19, 2017 at 5:45 am

    “… why have the Russians and Malaysians not exposed this entire farce for the sick and disgusting fairytale it really is. ”
    I will venture a guess regarding Malaysians. Here it is,
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/kuala-lumpur-tribunal-finds-israel-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity-genocide/5359404

    “The Russians must have all of the evidence needed to do so as they had days to examine the crash site and they must know at least as much as the locals in Donbass, which is plenty to be able to expose the whole thing.”
    This is a puzzle. They must have high resolution photos of the bodies and for sure samples of bodies and the strange fluids.

    The lady in the video says that there was a greenish fluid around the bodies seen on the road and NOT blood. The smell was extremely strong. The smell was so strong next the fuselage show in the photo that one could not stand there. It seemed that the fuselage was saturated with whatever was giving off the strong chemical smell. It was a smell one would encounter in a morgue. One reporter who had experience with two previous air crashes stated that in the area of the crash one would find an ocean of blood. At this site there was none. Then the suitcases had winter clothing and this is all happening in the Summer. Apparently the media in the West was saying that there was a lot of children on the flight. Well the lady after looking at all the bodies she encountered only saw about 6.

    Lady speaking says she was there within 20 min. of the crash

  4. boris111  July 19, 2017 at 12:14 am

    My relatives are living between the enemies, the only reason they still live is because they support the enemy with medical help.
    Daily conversations between them make me fully aware what is going on there.
    The Ukrainian army is shooting and provocing russia every day, the civilian war is not civilian, it has nothing to do with the local people, in fact most of the refugees from Donetsk live in Kiev now!
    The Urainian army is not a Ukrainian real army, it contains of young lower-class boys who do not have any future perspective in their live, who come from villages in the Western areas, they are drunk every day and night, getting traines by the NATO forces, but lack of any more motivation then to just send a monthly paycheck to their home, they miss the balls and motivation, thats why the conflict is stale-mate since 3 years.
    Also to mention what people dont know, this Ukrainian army i am talking about is maybe 30% real governmental army (as i just mentioned) and the rest are hired forces, mercinaries, they are from the private armies of the jewish olichargs which try to get more power in Ukraine, they have more money then the government and they are another government inside a government, they do their own thing and giving Porkey a hard time to keep himself in power.

  5. boris111  July 19, 2017 at 12:04 am

    And another thing, my relatives live in a small village inside the bufferzone, they see ukrainian tanks entering their town and shooting towards the ‘russian’ area, where they have no real targets, just shooting randomly, not knowing where the bombs will fall, no firing back from the ‘russian’ area because hey they would violate the minsk agreement isnt it!!! But the ukrainians bombing every day until today!!
    No media coverage, nothing, the ‘russian’ people of donbass dont exist.
    For them the MH-17 has not any meaning anymore, they know what happened (on the scene) but since then they are trying to survive.
    No russian troops on the Donetsk side, only volanteers.
    One more thing, they say Russian agression, the Ukrainiana need to save the people in Donbass…. really? Then why you never hear about humanitarian aid for these people, no food, medications, no support from the western world, they are left alone and getting bombed, the only one helping them is russia, but cannot do more then just support with food and water because they being watched on with a micoscope..

    • Andrew_Bukanov(Russia)  July 19, 2017 at 7:58 am

      Right, Boris111. MH-17 was a false flag against Russia. In this case – always look who has the profit. Immediately after the plane crash ALL western media like a barking dogs in the chorus blamed Russia and their investigation was done so quickly. Mr. Sherlock Holmes would die from professional envy….

  6. kaho  July 18, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Re: Black lips – as mentioned by Ian.
    I ran the video once again, this time listening very carefully to find out where the commentator
    mentions “black lips”. When I came to 5:00 I could clearly hear her say what with english letters
    sounded something like
    « tchorne gube »
    Well, the subtitle at 5:00-5:01 says
    « чиновник черные куб », which Google translates as
    “official black cube”. But since the subtitles are generated automatically, I think the “к” is a mis=
    =reading for a “г”. Thus, when I replace the “к” with a “г” the corrected subtitle becomes
    « чиновник черные губ » which Google then translates as “official black lip”.
    This reading also matches the photo shown of a black-lipped dead person.

    Well, we all know that coagulated blood turns black and blue after a while.
    In this case a forensic expert might be able to say what this could mean in terms of time and causes.

    • Andrew_Bukanov(Russia)  July 19, 2017 at 8:04 am

      She asked at 5:00 – Pochemu u nego chernie gubi? – Why he has black lips?

  7. US-First  July 18, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    KEEPING IT IN THE FAMILY

    “BANGKOK – It is by no mere coincidence, when telltale evidence of a Mossad role in the MH370 hijack was starting to snowball, that Israel’s embassies and consulates were suddenly shut down due to a “strike by diplomatic staff”. This fork-tongued alibi was obviously meant to prevent law enforcement agencies across Asia and the Western world from questioning Israeli intelligence agents and military attaches about the whereabouts and fate of the hundreds of passengers.”

    Introductory paragraph by Yoichi Shimatsu in Rense.com article headlined “Role Of Israel & Soros Exposed By MH370 Twin Jet In Tel Aviv” dated March 27, 2014 – just a mere 15 weeks before Malaysian Airlines MH17 was sent tumbling out of the sky over Ukraine. Ian may refute the Soros ties to Israel in general but ‘Pretty Boy’ had personal reasons to put the boot into Malaysia – enough maybe to align himself to Mossad/Israel for a once-off. A fascinating read: http://www.rense.com/general96/role.html

    • US-First  July 18, 2017 at 5:43 pm

      Both articles that follow detail the Israeli hijacking of MH370 and precede the above article in Rense.com. Again the writer is Yoichi Shimatsu.

      (1) http://www.rense.com/general96/mh2.html

      (2) http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370rv.html

    • kaho  July 18, 2017 at 8:03 pm

      An interesting Autor ! I read the first article you quoted.
      I also found that here http://www.rense.com/Datapages/yoichidat.htm there are 2 articles with “MH17” in the title and 5 with “370”. But reading another article by this author, about radioactivity and cosmic rays, I noted that he repeatedly writes that gamma rays are made up of protons. Well, that is wrong by merely a letter, and the error is easily corrected by replacing “proton” by “photon”. Nevertheless, on the physical level the difference between photons and protons is a big one : Boson vs. Fermion, massive vs. massless, neutral vs. charged, etc. So on a purely scientific level : be careful. He also wrote many other things that I cannot immediately verify, since I do not have the required detailed knowledge of atmospheric physics, But all in all, a writer of serious intent, no doubt widely read and very engaging. But who touches on too many subjects where it would be nearly impossible for a single person to know them all.

  8. joetv  July 18, 2017 at 10:14 am

    Getting 2 mysteries out of 1 is unique, even for the crazies who bring us a false flag weekly. That said. If this, and I am not saying it isn’t, is true… just maybe the earth is flat.
    Someone said; “when everything they believe is a lie…”

  9. US-First  July 18, 2017 at 8:58 am

    If relatives of MH370 missing can identify relatives among videos or photos of victims of MH17 site in Unraine – game on. Otherwise, task of Sisyphus.

  10. kaho  July 18, 2017 at 8:51 am

    From the «New Straits Times» August 7, 2014, by Haris Hussain :
    https://www.nst.com.my/news/2015/09/mh17-pockmarks-look-very-very-heavy-machine-gun-fire-says-first-osce-monitor-scene

    July 29 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation interview with Michael Bociurkiw, one of the first Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) investigators to arrive at the scene of the disaster, near Donetsk.

    ” Bociurkiw is a Ukrainian-Canadian monitor with OSCE who, along with another colleague, were the first international monitors to reach the wreckage after flight MH17 was brought down over eastern Ukraine. ”
    . . .

    • kaho  July 18, 2017 at 8:53 am

      cont . . .
      ” In the CBC interview, the reporter in the video preceded it with: “The wreckage was still smouldering when a small team from the OSCE got there. No other officials arrived for days”.

      “There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pockmarked with what almost looks like machinegun fire; very, very strong machinegun fire,” Bociurkiw said in the interview.

      Parry had said that Bociurkiw’s testimony is “as close to virgin, untouched evidence and testimony as we’ll ever get. Unlike a black-box interpretation-analysis long afterward by the Russian, British or Ukrainian governments, each of which has a horse in this race, this testimony from Bociurkiw is raw, independent and comes from one of the two earliest witnesses to the physical evidence.

      “That’s powerfully authoritative testimony. Bociurkiw arrived there fast because he negotiated with the locals for the rest of the OSCE team, who were organising to come later,” Parry had said.

      Retired Lufthansa pilot Peter Haisenko had also weighed in on the new shootdown theory with Parry and pointed to the entry and exit holes centred around the cockpit. “

    • kaho  July 18, 2017 at 9:10 am

      There are more than 40 videos with Canadian Michael Bociurkiw (OSCE) on u-tube.
      Here someone from Holland has uploaded the essential part of the interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SctRTP__NKs

      ” Op 29 juli 2014 verscheen dit interview met OSCE woordvoerder Michael Bociurkiw over zijn bevindingen van vlucht MH17. Geen woord in ”onze media” die binnenkort, net als de VS tot damage control over gaan om hun eigen hagje te reden. “

    • US-First  July 18, 2017 at 9:54 am

      The New Straits Times article ‘kaho’ raises the (CIA/Mossad) scenario. I sincerely doubt that either Ukrainian or Russian fighter pilots would have downed the plane (MH17) because in plain view it was a passenger flight with clear Malaysian Airlines markings. Only a ghoul or satanic entity would murder over 220 innocent civilians – the same ghouls and satanic entities who perpetrated 9/11. It’s Kristol clear somebody wanted the plane destroyed. I’d begin by knocking on Noodles ‘Nuland’s’ front door.

    • Andrew_Bukanov(Russia)  July 19, 2017 at 11:54 am

      US-First, the Russian fighter pilots couldn’t do this. The flights are registered. It would be a straight point to be accused. Pure evidence. Tell you as a son of a dad – MIG-25 interceptor USSR pilot.

  11. joetv  July 18, 2017 at 7:15 am

    As crazy as it sounds…early reports from the crash site mentioned corpses….the plane was carrying predead?…I forget the reason given, however at the time it struck an odd chord.. the imagination of a normal man could not design this. 1 body or 2 on a commercial flight, ok. The number suggested didn’t make sense. If true this is as close to human reanimation, or zombification that the Zionist quacks can get. Right now.

  12. koala  July 18, 2017 at 6:38 am

    Nice to see that the WW2 gold held in New York, for security, has been returned to the Netherlands after the report on MH17 was made public!So where did those those 30MM shell holes in the cockpit fuselage come from?

    • mb.  July 18, 2017 at 7:08 am

      Haven’t seen gold yet 🙂

  13. mb.  July 18, 2017 at 6:09 am

    Let’s start at the beginning ; did the plane leave ? What was the number of the plane ? Any photos ? Satellite images available (Russian and US) ? …..

    • Eduardo  July 18, 2017 at 9:48 pm

      The beginning would be where it came from before leaving Schiphol and if passengers departed.

    • Andrew_Bukanov(Russia)  July 19, 2017 at 8:13 am

      US satellites in this situation were blind. Psaki said they have the proof – it is in the youtube. Very strange blind evidence. Though we all know in Russia, that USA has the best and the largest satellite group in the orbit. But “suddenly” ….. there were no evident proof. Spy-sats were on dinner in McDonalds…..

    • Eduardo  July 19, 2017 at 3:20 pm

      Exactly Andrew but unfortunately the creators of “reality” for the West have different ideas.

  14. boris111  July 18, 2017 at 2:06 am

    I am dutch and my mother in Law is a nurse in the Donbass area, most of the travellers were asian and holland has a huge population of asian immigrants and due to holiday season went of to their mother land.
    Due to my parents in law i know all the facts which happened in Donbass, but they have been shut of by all media since they are the only ones who know the truth and until this moment today they are shot and bombed at, but hey theses people do not exist for the western world, they have no voice or right to live, they have done everything to reach the world when a plane fell out of the sky and nobody was missing it when for 3 days nobody had come to look at the wreck, where bodies were decomposing in the sun, more then 35’c in an open field.
    The dutch investigation team was held up in kiev due to russian rebels which did not grant permission to come to the wreck, as they told..
    But in reality there were no real russian rebels but locals which didnt know what to do and only saw ukrainian ‘investigators’ cleaning up the mess they have created, nobody in that area thinsk or doubts even what has happened, but they are not to be heard, it is the media which speculated and destroys reality

    • Andrew_Bukanov(Russia)  July 18, 2017 at 10:07 am

      there were reports that Ukie soldiers opened fire at that place. Thus the investigators couldn’t get to that place, sitting in Kiev. Strange situation…..

    • Ivan Ivanov  July 18, 2017 at 4:17 pm

      boris111 you just forgot the formalin and the missing blood and many other details and only your relatives knew the truth yeah nobody else in the whole big world.

  15. Chris Paul  July 18, 2017 at 1:50 am

    Everything is counted in letter and number. Many have dived down the rabbit hole of mixing those up. The Seven Arts of Ancient Man are, to the best of my recollection: Grammatica, Oratoria, Geometrica, Arithmetica, Gymnasia, Musica, Theologica. All the Kabbalistic nonsense of mixing those is nonsense.

  16. Garry Compton  July 18, 2017 at 1:16 am

    This could be award winning Ian – if it wasn’t such a horrific, evil outcome. You know my house hold is Russian so I have had the video translated for me , however many russian laboratory words are similar. Formaldehyde is a close one as is Passports in everyday words. The place stunk like Form. and the bodies were old – winter clothing in the luggage, passports all neatly found close to one another as were the bodies as if they were all sitting in one area only.All Asian and only blood with the newer corpses were killed.Another thing not in your article was the first responders at the site were from Donetsk and they also were the investigators when the flight from Krasnodar to St. Petersburg went down 8 years earlier. They were thrown off the site and replaced by Kyiv ” so called” investigators then the Ukraine army started to mortar the area around the crashsite – surprise ! My computer is been hacked so …. The first investigators asked for a copy of the autopsy of the pilot and crew – but there was never a report from the Dutch – 9-11 isn’t alone!

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 18, 2017 at 1:26 am

      Saying 9/11 was a dry run for MH17/MH370 may be strange, but Ian & you may be correct.

    • Andrew_Bukanov(Russia)  July 18, 2017 at 10:12 am

      Hello Garry! The translation is right. Yes.

    • kaho  July 18, 2017 at 10:48 am

      When I googled the word “формалин”, as indicated by the video subtitle at 1:25, a picture like this came up : http://www.occupyforanimals.net/uploads/7/7/3/5/7735203/3301703_orig.jpg
      Also, at the beginning of the video we saw anatomical parts lying on an asphalt road, in pools of some type of liquid. Could you translate the Russian comment to that? Thanks

    • Garry Compton  July 19, 2017 at 10:28 am

      Hello Andrew, Dr. Abu and Kaho. This downing of a commercial airliner{s} is a dastardly deed that needs to be revenged. The airliner downed in Ukraine could have have had a whole section of MH370 corpses easily stuck away in the plane . Alaska Airlines had 737s with a extra spot for cargo – partitioned off from the rest of the plane and most passengers never even thought about it. Somehow these two planes are related and somehow I think that the independent war crimes court in Indonesia that found Bush and Blair guilty is a payback. One of the prosecutors was a Univ. of Ill. Law department professor and of course he is on every ” No No list” that the government has. The Hague has been sitting on those papers for over 5 years now. So , Yes this is just another – In Your Face – 9-11 terrorist act using the same and more advanced techniques. Spacibo

  17. Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 18, 2017 at 1:13 am

    Ian: Well done. Although very skeptical about the “MH17 = MH370” hypothesis, the newly-available Ukrainian video (from LiveLeak) — analyzing +/-5,000 ‘MH17’ crash site pics — sealed the deal.

    Having worked with Malay NOC intel/Biz guys & others on MH370 & MH17, it’s safe to say that your hypotheses are not completely incongruent with those with the evidence and those with whom I worked.

    More congruent is this: “Media Control and a Rigged Report, MH17” at http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/13/media-control-and-a-rigged-report-mh17 (“Kiev shot MH17 down and the Dutch, part of the NATO gang responsible, are part of the problem and fully culpable for the crime as predicted”) — by Gordon P. Duff in 2015.

    We presented a proposal for Malay-controlled MH17/MH370 investigations to the Malay PM, but he was ‘compromised’ by US+. Malaysia is still controlled by Rotten-Childs — allowing NO independence.

    MH17 or ‘MH370 as MH17’ was probably shot down by a Romania-based MiG-29 (‘radar-spoofed’ as a Ukrainian MiG-25) with an air-to-air rocket — certainly no BUK. An Azerbaijan-based, AWACS-type, Israeli F-15E probably flew target support. Dutch, U.S. & NATO were involved in the cover-up.

    NATO & Ukraine cut Malaysia out of ‘independent’ investigations. The Malay PM — too — did not want an independent investigation… Although more may be coming, I get sick writing about this stuff.

  18. Garry Compton  July 18, 2017 at 1:12 am

    This could be award winning Ian – if it wasn’t such a horrific, evil outcome. You know my house hold is Russian so I have had the video translated for me , however many russian laboratory words are similar. Formaldehyde is a close one as is Passports in everyday words. The place stunk like Form. and the bodies were old – winter clothing in the luggage, passports all neatly found close to one another as were the bodies as if they were all sitting in one area only.All Asian and only blood with the newer corpses were killed.Another thing not in your article was the first responders at the site were from Donetsk and they also were the investigators when the flight from Krasnodar to St. Petersburg went down 8 years earlier. They were thrown off the site and replaced by Kyiv ” so called” investigators then the Ukraine army started to mortar the area around the crashsite – surprise ! My computer is been hacked so …. The first investigators asked for a copy of the autopsy of the pilot and crew – but there was never a report from the Dutch – 9-11 isn’t alone

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 18, 2017 at 1:20 am

      Garry: Correct — Unfortunately.

  19. kaho  July 17, 2017 at 8:50 pm

    What about the Dutch families who today (yesterday the 17th) remembered the day of the catastrophem three years ago, during a large gathering under the presence of the King and Queen of the Netherlands?
    https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nederland/koning-en-koningin-openen-monument-mh17-bij-herdenking

    Are you implying they are all “crisis actors”?
    ( like the”Nobody-died-at-Sandy-Hook” theory?)

    Anyway, I do recall reports that were broadcast just a few days after the crash, where it was noted that the corpses did not look fresh.

    Also, did you notice that the video has subtitles? (Press the little square lower right)
    The subtitles are Russian – but still, it would seem important to know exactly what the
    woman commenting the crash site photos is saying.
    ( Around 1:25 she mentions a word that sounds like “formalina”.
    The subtitle says босфором алина. But subtitles are often machine generated )

    Well, if you’ve ever been to an anatomy lab, you’ll know that this is a fluid used to preserve corpses.

  20. Eduardo  July 17, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    Many are aware that much stinks with MH 370/17. Above version to prepare MH370 to use as MH17 with Asian corpes on board still leaves all the passengers boarding an MH flight in Amsterdam after an MH 777 arrived empty??? at Schiphol Airport. Many local witnesses would have noticed this easily.
    To switch and prepare planes will work in Diego Garcia or any other secret military base though the boarding process in Amsterdam and/or switching planes in the crowded European Airspace will prove to be difficult with witnesses all over the place.
    The time frame from MH17’s Start in Amsterdam to the explosion in Ukraine (1hr) seems very short to either switch planes or prepare for the crash in Mid air. If the cargo was loaded with MH370 corpses when shot down aren’t there too many DNA samples that can prove the mix up mystery fairly easy. Very difficult to cover up. Guess we need to wait until one “neutral” 777 goes up in such a bang that nothing is left to be identified.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 18, 2017 at 1:44 am

      Eduardo: Most that you say is correct. Ian says ‘NO MH17 take-off from Amsterdam.’ But I recall DNA & forensic tests in Netherlands/Malaysia to ID bodies — contemporaneously. I was ‘there.’

      What’s most striking in Ian’s article is the LiveLeaks video & +/-5,000 crash site pics. Asian bodies, blue lips, and a passport photo & name. All can be verified to be MH370 or MH17.

    • mb.  July 18, 2017 at 6:12 am

      Could have been ‘put’ there.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  August 4, 2017 at 3:58 am

      MB: Yes. DNA tests in Netherlands do NOT prove that ‘MH17’ bodies came from MH17. ‘Chain of Custody’ questions remain for both getting the ‘passengers’ to the ‘MH17’ crash site AND for what happened with the bodies on the way from the ‘MH17’ crash site to the Netherlands. Hmmm…

  21. ksp  July 17, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    from reports of another airline disaster, years ago. The fuselage cracked open at cruising altitude. bodies were frozen solid in seconds. When rescuer workers arrived at the crash scene the bodies were still ice cubes

  22. Trakkath  July 17, 2017 at 7:39 pm

    I thought the whole time where the evidence of this decomposed bodies had vanished, but thanks to Mr. Greenhalgh, you stay on the course to get it out. All the time I searched for any hint about this strange event but found nothing but old messages.

    • Trakkath  July 17, 2017 at 7:53 pm

      Btw the missing of fresh blood pits and spots of blood are a clear indicator of something is wrong with this.Blood would spltter all over the wreckage parts if they were alive during the crash on the ground. Smash fresh flesh to a wall or ground and see what happens.

    • Trakkath  July 17, 2017 at 7:58 pm

      There is enough material for a DNA-analysis with living relatives to find out very fast who those passengers were and truh would come out at the blink of an eye.

    • Khalid Talaat  July 18, 2017 at 3:39 am

      Trakkath… their was splatering and pooling, not of blood, but a liquid that might be an embalming liquid. It is in the article.

    • Ivan Ivanov  July 18, 2017 at 4:32 pm

      Haha the bodies are taken to Netherlands three years ago and nothing like that was announced by investigators, what makes you think that someone in Netherland will anounce the truth today in a blink of an eye? Haha

  23. Alex__B  July 17, 2017 at 6:16 pm

    Combining this article with Jonas Alexis’ “Dumb and Dumber: CNN commentator …”. Perhaps before urging bombing and more sanctions against Russia that dumbbell needs to clarify for his audience who really shot Malaysian MH-17 (M+H=21=7+7+7) plane over Ukraine (crashed outside “Hrabove”=71/7) on 07.17.2014 (717+214=931 =1000-70+1 =7+77+777+77-7 =911+9+11), and by doing that created a perfect pretext for imposing sanctions on Russia 3 years ago. If he can persuade more than 10 people that “evil Russian militants” did all planning and calculations, including for “Malaysian passenger plane is shot down over Ukraine by Russian militants” =777/62=777/(70-1-7), then I’ll replace the word ‘dumbbell’ with “genius”. Even without explanations for many other points, one of which comes from the plane route: “Amsterdam Netherlands”+” Kuala-Lumpur Malaysia”=442/40= 11+11/(110+110). Who’d expect…

    • Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor  July 17, 2017 at 6:46 pm

      I’m sorry, but I am pretty sure all this numerology stuff is pure nonsense, at the very most, it is just another red herring to keep the conspiracy nitwits busy.

    • Trakkath  July 17, 2017 at 7:45 pm

      Mr. Greenhalgh, what you call nonense makes much sense for those who follow this BS like hidden codes in the bible, tree of Kabbalah and Tabula Smaragdina. It is their “religion” of numerology, which they follow. We can only state what they are doing by looking for the evidence on it. Some also call God or satan nonsense but those who believe in it and follow them it is reality, if we like it or not.

    • Alex__B  July 17, 2017 at 7:54 pm

      I’m sorry, but this is not numerology. And I don’t know how to explain it to someone who doesn’t understand what “unique key” is or what methods can be applied to a set of elements with unique weights. It like saying that operating with periodic table of chemical elements where each element has its unique number is nonsense.

    • Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor  July 17, 2017 at 8:15 pm

      Please don’t insult my intelligence by trying to equate this number nonsense with hard scientific fact like atomic numbers and the periodic table.

    • Alex__B  July 17, 2017 at 8:25 pm

      Trakkath: You’re absolutely correct. Talking about conspiracies (both present and past) while denying gigantic occult component of it is pitiful and is what making conspiracy nitwits live (let alone analyze !) with, what can’t be called better than Stanley Kubrick did, “Eyes wide shut!”. But there’s a reason for everything. And I’m pretty sure I know what it is in this case.

    • Alex__B  July 17, 2017 at 8:58 pm

      Mr. Greenhalgh: Where did you see “atomic” number in my comment ? Each element in addition to atomic number has its unique order number. The word “unique” is critical here, because in numerology you’re talking about number “213”=2+1+3=6 and “411”=4+1+1=6, etc. There’s no ambiguity in calculations I post. I have all the rights to replace “A” with “1”, “B” with “2”, etc. without creating any ambiguity. The rest is based on the math as it taught in all normal schools, (i.e., a pure science). Same goes to calculating probabilities of certain combinations of numbers (patterns) to appear in results. The math is not Abu-Ghraib (using analogy that Iranian president once used on U.S. correspondent) and to judge about its application one has to have a bit more that “because I said so”.

    • Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor  July 17, 2017 at 9:27 pm

      I’m sorry, but this is just nonsense, akin to believing the earth is flat.

    • Alex__B  July 17, 2017 at 10:16 pm

      I don’t feel like I have any desire or need to defend my position against something as groundless as “this is just nonsense”. Especially when I’m pretty sure by what it’s all caused. Sorry I can’t help you here. Neither I’m the best person to talk about ”flat earth” – another “brilliant” discovery of the adepts of the “wounded knee”. So long.

    • Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor  July 18, 2017 at 12:33 am

      Look, the people in the intelligence community who plan and carry out operations like MH17 and MH370, or 9-11 or any one of a myriad other false flag events are not using some mystical numbers to schedule anything, they would laugh heartily at it as nothing but nonsense from the minds of conspiracy nutcases.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 18, 2017 at 1:57 am

      Alex & Trakkath: Too much relevant & significant evidence available (but not collected or analyzed) for anyone to be saying that numerology is key to solving the puzzle. Is that OK with you? 😉

    • guibus  July 18, 2017 at 11:34 am

      @Alex_B : knowing what said Christine Lagarde, IMF Director, for 10 minutes about the magic of number 7, in front of a big audience of NWO agents, it does make sense.

      @Ian Greenhalgh : this numerology stuff is pure nonsense … for a normally working mind, but for people believing in ‘crazy stuff’, i.e. talmudic stuff, it’s just fine … sadly.

    • Trakkath  July 18, 2017 at 2:58 pm

      Mr. Greenhalgh if you want to accuse your enemy with the crimes you commited you would imitate their style and believe system. Maybe that is the reason for this numerology nonsense. We know that many Joos are innocent and held hostage by the real thugs who are behind this atrocities. But if such things poke you in the eye you just can´t ignore it.

    • Alex__B  July 18, 2017 at 3:30 pm

      Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta: Just out of curiosity, how much out of “too much relevant & significant evidence available for anyone” you’ve been able to analyze, say, in the last few years ? And how many do you think, out of 1,000,000 random people not belonging to any secret societies, have ever heard about the word “gematria”, let alone tried to analyze some event by using it ?

    • Ivan Ivanov  July 18, 2017 at 4:59 pm

      Mr Greenhalgh great article, about your scepticism about numbers, codes, dates, numerology stuff, I also dont believe in some magic power of this encoding, but the question is are there people using this stuff in their work organizations rituals or belief system. And masons illuminati statanists which operate and have common members in the intelligence services are using this numerology tools, stuff, rituals we may call them many contemporary false flags bear some numerology markings and the using of numerology by some secret and occult societies is well known fact so some numerology connection seems natural to me in the case. But I dont claim I can interpret this numbers or that someones interpretation is true or false. So my point is even if I dont believ in the power and application of numerology it is widely known that organizations that are probably complicit with this false flag use numerology in their rituals and operation.

    • Alex__B  July 18, 2017 at 8:01 pm

      Ivan Ivanov: None of us, not belonging to secret societies, knows what these numbers mean for sure. But there’s such scientific and universal term as “pattern” – something that’s irrelevant to beliefs, societies, magic, or inability of someone to recognize them. The presence of these patterns can be established both mathematically (in the form of very low probability for them to appear), or in some cases just by common sense (like a coin falling on the same side 20 times). And all one needs to define if some event is “signed” or not is to present the strong indication of a pattern. It’s not enough to put someone behind bars, but it’s enough to know in what direction to look.

    • Henry77  July 19, 2017 at 6:05 am

      Mr. Greenhalgh: My spin on the number aspect is that it could be used as a useful diversion element of an operation. This element attracts the armchair detectives who include it in their analysis of the whole operation. When they focus on it ,things are setup to discredit the whole analysis done by the armchair detective.

      The more such “strange” elements you include in your operation the better. The more high visibility the operation the better to use these “crazy element” (the Lady in a Polka-dot Dress). It cost you NOTHING.

    • Alex__B  July 19, 2017 at 7:37 am

      Henry77: What you call ”useful diversion” is known as “digital alignment” and have been used by Satanists all over the world for ALL their actions without exceptions for centuries. The number of examples goes on thousands. Try to fit in your theory thousands of small local crimes that most “armchair detectives” have no idea about. You also forget to mention who’s creating this “useful diversion” . As we were told above “the intelligence community who plan and carry out operations … are not using some mystical numbers to schedule anything”. Then who does it ?

    • Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor  July 19, 2017 at 10:34 am

      No-one does it, you’re reading something that isn’t really there, like some people say they can read things about your future from the lines on your hand. The people that plan these events are well aware of this nutcase belief so they may well encourage it, but no way are they planning their ops using this mystical numbers nonsense.

    • Henry77  July 19, 2017 at 8:08 am

      Alex__B: You could be right Alex. I don’t have insider info to dispute your position. For instance I think the date 9/11 was chosen just for this alignment of numbers. 911 – is an emergence number in the US.

      Also Amsterdam is famous for another “terror-theatric” event. The “underwear bomber” boarding a plane there to Detroit WITH assistance from people who freely moved around the airport. A Detroit lawyer and his wife sitting next to boarding area entrance saw how the kid was led through without checking him. Things got so hairy for them that they moved out of the US 🙂
      https://www.sott.net/article/315075-Eyewitnesses-Underwear-bomber-was-escorted-onto-plane

    • Alex__B  July 19, 2017 at 10:32 am

      Henry77: It’s hard to describe our time better than Jury Lina did in the intro to his book “Architect of Deception”. “Without details about the true history of freemasonry, it is very difficult to orientate oneself in today’s world. … It has been possible to clearly identify the masonic forces, which have done everything in their power to transform our world into Hell on Earth”… “We have been damaged mentally, physically and genetically. We have begun to prefer darkness to light. Most of us have chosen to believe in the illusory myths of the freemasons and assisted in the fight against those who have attempted to reveal the true facts. Far too many of us choose to defend these dark forces.”

    • Alex__B  July 19, 2017 at 7:59 pm

      Mr. Greenhalgh, We obviously have different understanding of many things. Like I’ve said earlier I do not feel any need in imposing my views on you (or anybody else for that matter), neither I have any intention to accept yours. I think it’s quite normal.

    • Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor  July 19, 2017 at 9:22 pm

      You obviously don’t understand anything about how the intelligence agencies work if you really think they use this numbers nonsense to plan anything. I spend a lot of time dealing with people from the intelligence community, so it’s not a case of accepting my views, I am stating fact and if you chose to not accept that fact because you think you know better then you are simply deluding yourself and have no clue of the reality of the situation.

    • Alex__B  July 19, 2017 at 10:51 pm

      And I think you don’t understand how “alignments“ work. For most cases it’s enough for just a few attributes of the case to be fixed (like date, name(s), location(s)). And there’s no need for people who carry it out to know anything or to worry about digital underlining whatsoever. They just do what they have been told. It also seems to me extremely naive to think that secret societies have not penetrated at least the upper echelons of all intelligence agencies. And there’s an equal sign between such societies and the world “occult”. It’s not just my opinion. Many well-known researches (including those writing on VT pages) think the same way. I have all the reasons to trust them. That’s it.

  24. Khalid Talaat  July 17, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    Ian, I have 3 questions:
    1. What about all the evidence of the assembled cockpit, presented by the German high ranking pilot, showing strafing and flechet damage from a missile. how was that evidence fabricated?
    2. I can understand Indonesia might be put under tremendous pressure to sacrifice a few hundred people, but why would Russia give up such a great opportunity to expose the RKM while being accused of complicity in the crime?
    3. If this is true, how did they pull MH 370 out of the sky? With backdoor autopilot control and fly the plane to 30k feet then cut oxygen delivery or depressurize. Was that the same method the two planes in Penselvania and the Pentagone were made to vanish?
    If this is Israel’s doing time to call an air strike on Tel Aviv.

    • Khalid Talaat  July 17, 2017 at 4:25 pm

      Is this to make followers of alternate media doubt everything they are told? That was the first impression I had. This is going to be one more dare before these people reach their level of competance and make the big exposing blunder.

    • Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor  July 17, 2017 at 5:03 pm

      1. No fabrication necessary, they simply flew MH370 over Ukraine by remote control then shot it down.
      2. Malaysia was coerced and pressured to fall into line. As for Russia, I don’t know, maybe they chose to use the evidence as leverage?
      3. It is possible to take over control of any airliner with little more than a laptop. I expect they took over MH370 mid-flight and killed the passengers and crew either by depressurisation or by pumping something toxic into the cabin. They then flew the plane to Diego Garcia. I expect it was then flown on to somewhere else, possibly one of the secret US-Israeli airbases in Azerbaijan. There were no planes on 9-11, the WTC towers were most likely struck by cruise missiles, we know the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  July 18, 2017 at 2:11 am

      Khalid & Ian: You both make sense (based on evidence). I was ‘there.’ Trust me. 😉

      Russia either used what Russia has for other purposes — or Russia is ‘saving it.’

      Khalid, although you summarize good proof, it’s NOT inconsistent with “MH17 = MH370.”

      Ian, although you summarize good proof, it’s NOT inconsistent with MH370 being substituted for MH17 — AFTER an Amsterdam take-off. My recollection is: DNA/forensics were >later< enough to ID bodies in Netherlands, Malaysia, etc.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta  August 4, 2017 at 4:05 am

      Refuting myself: But there could have been a switch. Chain of Custody questions remain.

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