Robert Sapolsky: Religion is a mental illness

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Since  posting my short article about the Moon and the Solar Eclipse a little over a day ago, I have been bombarded with emails and messages calling me all kinds of unpleasant names and insisting that God does exist.

However, not one of them can offer any evidence of such, other than to insist that the fact the universe even exists is proof God exists.

Poppycock I say, utter nonsense, hogwash….

In response to all the pro-God ‘faithful’ or ‘true believers’ or whatever else you wish to call yourself, I simply offer this 19 minute video of an excellent lecture by Dr. Robert Sapolsky, a noted neuroscientist:

P.S. Please don’t bother to send me any more emails in outrage at my atheism, I simply delete them unread and besides, you have nothing to say I haven’t heard before and you’re not even very good at insults.

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Ian Greenhalgh

Ian Greenhalgh is a photographer and historian with a particular interest in military history and the real causes of conflicts.

His studies in history and background in the media industry have given him a keen insight into the use of mass media as a creator of conflict in the modern world.

His favored areas of study include state sponsored terrorism, media manufactured reality and the role of intelligence services in manipulation of populations and the perception of events.

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  1. Sorry. No.
    I gave you very well evidence of Gods existence, or Universal Consciousness or whatever you like to call it. And gave it to you out of your own frame of believe about Life as chemical process driven by chance. Read again:

    “Besides. If you believe that a tiny bunch of chemicals made it to develop into biological sentient beings and I’m sure you believe that, then you believe implicitly in the existence of a superior being as well.
    Because, if this tiny bunch developed into biological life with almost zero possibilities to make it, then, the possibilities of the whole Universe and all the chemicals inside it, to become a universal sentient being, are even more than 100%.”
    If you consider life to be a chemical process sparked by chance, then you believe the same about God. Just because it is implicit in your own point of view.
    In other words if you believe that 1+1=2, then you believe implicitly that 5+5=10, even if you didn’t the math for it.
    Isn’t clear yet?
    If life is a chemical phenomenon then consciousness and thoughts are the result of electrical impulses . So, everything needed is out there.”

    • No, you’re talking rubbish and trying to put words into my mouth. I never said one word about chemical processes or any other of this nonsense you are spouting.

    • PBS last night, had a program from Globalspirit.tv. Apparently one of a new PBS series. Last night’s theme was “in search of God”, in which a couple of atheist students discussed their own points of view.
      But, a couple of days earlier, somewhere else, I had heard about WQ (“Wisdom Quotient”), as opposed to IQ, which sounded related to the PBS program. What I heard was that when someone’s WQ is low, he/she would likely not connect with God! I thought they had made this up, so today I searched it and one of the sites which came up included an interesting “WISDOM QUOTIENT TEST”, as opposed to an IQ-Test, which readers may want to take when they have free time:
      http://www.thehealersjournal.com/2014/02/16/soul-wisdom-quotient/

      The IQ of Your Soul: How to Determine Your Wisdom Quotient (WQ)

      I don’t know if that PBS program is available on the web.

  2. Finally, Ian, this debate doesn’t yield anything useful about the question of the Divine. It remains in a level where everyone posts his own narrative and there is no real discussion about it. And you have your narrative too: Not a shred of an evidence for God and you still wait for an evidence for it.
    Well, I gave you that evidence. And not only that, but as a result of your own frame of believe. Your belief about the chemical origin of Life by chance. An irrefutable evidence you’re still ignoring.
    So, whats the message then here?
    Just try to replace one narrative with another, which is as less discussable as the first one?
    No thanks.
    It is not worth the struggle.

    • You gave no evidence and to say you did is just plain wrong. There is no evidence for the existence of god, that is why you have to have ‘faith’.

  3. Baseball has a rule book. If two teams end up in a free for all, does that mean that Baseball’s rule book is lousy and we should never explore baseball’s better side? Should we grow up and toss it out? Or, should we grow up, own our shadows and stop bitching about something you say does not exist. Ian, if there is no God, why are you trying to prove it all the time.
    Yes, big butt Hagee and the like, in every religion, are similar to baseball players in a free for all. Let us not blame all religions, only the ones who have been modified to help the “crude few” become the “chosen few.”
    The problem is, the “crude few” have been doing their thing and the rest of us have been doing nothing.

    • Baseball is fun, adaptive, and doesn’t promote war. Games are natural, it’s play time.
      Religion is boring, serious, rigid, anti-creative, and is used for nefarious purposes such as a reason and motive for killing for the elites under the auspice of protecting this belief or that. The two things do not seem to have much in common. And yes, a free for all, in the sandlot is often what players love most about baseball. Religions crumble without blind obedience and constant monetary support. The one thing they have in common,…. it is legal to steal in both baseball and religion. Pious Fraud is Monetary Fraud as soon as money changes hands. Spirituality requires creativity and adaptive learning.

  4. Wow, are there enough comments. Add to your list of causes of mental illness you can add; watching the nightly news, and believing anything we’re told by anyone in public office.
    “Damn, honey, where did I put my meds”?

  5. Ancient Greeks had not one but thousands of Gods. Their whole Universe was beset with divinity and their civilization was the most splendorous one in known human history. And you’re seriously going to say that they were…monkeys.

    • Actually they were ‘gods’ not God’s from the word ‘theoro’ ‘theos’ means to ‘see’ these beings who were much bigger and faster and had ‘supernatural’ powers as compared to a regular human being of course what was natural to a human was and still is different than what is natural ability for these beings who were kind of similar to saints veneration fir help but not worshipping. The civilization was based on the El descendants of Elohim and human mixing. There is a ancient Greek saying even to the gods we speak standing up.

  6. The video is of no consequence no value moronic….one is better off reading Wilhelm Reich ….he did not subscribe to religion as formulated by the powers that be and how humanity picked up the baton and started running with it….nor he did not accept that God is an old guy with white hair sitting on His throne (Jesus explained that the Father still works amazing truth) that Churches pushed or to the Yogis or Buddhist or Moslem etc or nature… religions. He explains very well how mass neurosis in whole populations works and how it is used by those who know the science behind it. But hey they burned his books tons of them to keep the truth away from the people imprisoned him and he ‘died’ in jail. Then they could change what actually wrote and distorted his works.

    • There’s nothing moronic about the lecture. I would counter that religion is moronic and the fact that the human race has not evolved past the need to follow these ancient superstitions is very damning, we really are little more than monkeys who have learned to stand upright and will remain so until we evolve past the need to believe in mystical supernatural beings.

    • 1. Any attempt at instruction of free thinking process about ‘religion’ that starts with a statement that in a recent poll…etc…and the instructor elicits the students response to tell him who was the polling agency not even stating where when why etc….in other words presenting bogus fabricated data…loses all credibility. DONE. The rest is conjecture not factual evidence.
      2. It is a well known that universities push an agenda but not to be outdone the vast “religious” community on this little planet also pushes their own agenda that has nothing to do with the Freedom and God the Father that Jesus Christ brought to us as a reminder. Jesus had no need to say here is a reference in this or that book He is they Book of Life. There is no need for polling He was put on the pole as stated in Plato writings and Syvila prophetic word.
      3. Ian you speak of the Human race in other words you accept the existence of other races as is the case with anyone who uses these words BY DEFAULT.

    • Religion is not moronic, it does not explain the world in detail like science, but science fails to deliver it for human race, science cannot explain property or slavery, science cannot explain territorial claim in humans without equaling them to animals, science can explain planets but not their names, science cannot explain excessiveness in wealth, it cannot explain usurious interest rates. Getting rid of religion does not create sudden equality or progressivist enlightened utopia, it does not remove the chosen ones, it does not end misery. In fact every attempt so far in human history to eradicate religion has failed so far and failed so incredibly, and usually in cold blood with enormous carnages and bloodshed of pious random unaware innocents. Science has very much problem with differing good from evil, because “it knows” or “it proves” before “it believes” or “it tries”.

  7. 12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); 13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; 14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! 15. After that, at length ye will die 16. Again, on the Day of Judgment, will ye be raised up. 17. And We have made, above you, seven tracts; and We are never unmindful of (our) Creation. Al-Quran 23:12-17 Now, before this, what knowledge did human beings have of exactly how they are formed from egg and sperm in the womb of a female??? Muhammad could not read nor write, but he did receive perfect Revelations(Al-Quran) from The One G-D Almighty.

  8. 1. O mankind! fear your Lord! for the convulsion of the Hour (of Judgment) will be a thing terrible!
    2. The Day ye shall see it, every mother giving suck shall forget her suckling- babe, and every pregnant female shall drop her load (unformed): thou shalt see mankind as in a drunken riot, yet not drunk: but dreadful will be the Wrath of Allah. 3. And yet among men there are such as dispute about Allah, without knowledge, and follow every evil one obstinate in rebellion! 4. About the (Evil One) it is decreed that whoever turns to him for friendship, him will he lead astray, and he will guide him to the Penalty of the Fire. 5. O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the Resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs). 6. This is so, because Allah is the Reality.

    • Allah may be your reality, but it certainly is not mine, nor do I subscribe to a set of rules laid down by an illiterate 7th century warlord, just as I do not subscribe to any religious rules for I firmly believe that they are anachronistic in the modern world and thoroughly incompatible with modern society. They were formulated in a time when very few were literate or educated, when the farthest from home people traveled was as far as their feet or the hooves of a beast may carry them and they had virtually no knowledge of the world beyond that distance. The religious rules were intended to control and manipulate people and as far as I am concerned, I will never submit to any such attempts to control or manipulate me and the law of the country I live in fully supports me in my desire for such freedom.

  9. Like you Ian, every one is the creator of his own reality. No other individual can convince you otherwise unless you give yourself permission to change for whatever reason that has become important to you. To “experience” God, to receive glimpses of REALITY or to be awakened by a “near death experience” is a personal, individual experience which can not be taught to others. I, once was an atheist, who whenever religion or Gods, crossed my way I got very defensive claiming there is no God and never will be while ridiculing anyone who confronted me. Then a moment arrived in time where all my foundation of my own truth imploded into nothing – just like that. Now I am not convinced, I am certain that God does exist in all things and without a doubt.
    To believe or deny is also ones own choice and so it is to ridicule or respect one another.
    Whatever choice is taken an open mind and heart is recommended at all times for not missing these incredible moments of an reminder that there is something greater then myself which I am part of.

    • Good points, thankyou. I respect everyone’s right to their own beliefs, what I object to is religion, which seeks to impose a set of beliefs onto people, to control and manipulate people, I oppose any and all such attempts, be they through religion, politics or anything else.

    • Here is an indicative quote from the first article :

      ‘3: Everyone directly experiences the supernatural daily

      Each of us experience ourselves as a seat of consciousness with direct, top-down, intentional, prescriptive control (to varying degrees) over the behaviors of many elements of our bodies and thinking processes. We don’t know how to make various cellular or chemical reactions occur that are necessary for motion and thought. Somehow, without any technical or mechanical knowledge at all, with no understanding of how to initiate or control any of the various chemical and mechanical resources, simple intention can operate what is probably the most highly advanced and complex piece of equipment in the universe with amazing precision. Like a ghost inhabiting a doll out of a movie, our will alone can set physical forces in motion, control them, and stop them on command – no physics, chemistry or mechanical knowledge required whatsoever. It is precisely like magic.’

  10. Comment above is to *Davor (below), who wrote:

    “I think that without religion there are also chosen ones in every society, look how no-religion worked in the Soviet Union, did they not have first among others? They ditched the religion all the way. And what happened? No-religion (no deity) leaves vacuum for cults all the time, person cults, army cults, political leader cults, and sometimes societies end up on their mercy. When you sing an anthem and put hands on your heart or wave them it is also a type of worship, much like a religious one.”

    Unsure why my comment posted twice.

  11. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
    ~ The US Declaration of Independence

    Unalienable human rights come from a power higher and better than humanity, hence the authority to always protect the rights even at the cost of one’s own life. No Creator means no rights. That authority cannot logically come from government, money, forces of evolution, or characters on the Internet.

    • They may be self-evident, but certainly not equally applied. Rights are a matter of perspective and class in this world. It is a good goal, but as yet, unrealized. The higher power is the police and judges, as that is who puts the poor in prison and pardons the wealthy. “In God We Trust” over the judges bench, means, don’t blame me, “blame god”, or “god doesn’t like you today”. It is an escape clause.

    • “Rights are a matter of perspective and class in this world.”

      True, and that is precisely why “the world” (police, judges, the governments and/or corporations who sign their checks, etc.) cannot be the ultimate authority for the rights. A number of the US founders learned this; they just lacked the circumstances and execution to resist the man-gods weaseling their way back up. Fortunately, Dave, many people are doing a much better job today.

      “Like the ancient Christians (prior to the Knights Templars’ private banking system), Muslims forbid usury, or the lending of money at interest. And that is the reason our government and media insist they must be killed or converted. They refuse to submit to currencies issued at interest. They refuse to be debt slaves.”
      ~ “All Wars Are Bankers’ Wars,” Michael Rivero

      “Most people here are very religious – they wear crosses, and carry rosaries… We have six icons hanging in our barrack… These fights are going to last long. This isn’t a fight for Donbass’ freedom; this is a global geopolitical showdown.”
      ~ Donbass militia member “Sardan,” 2015

      Funnily enough, Sardan also said he’s an Atheist; however, “He hasn’t been to the frontline, nor is he planning to…” It’s strange how people can read and write reports about all the Theists/Deists doing battle with the bankster cartel, and then complain about religion from the safety of their keyboards…

    • While I do applaud the nonuse age of usury, I certainly don’t see what that has to do with rights from the invisible as usury or not, the rules are maintained by humans. If one wants to use “god” as an excuse to make this rule or that, then it leads to separation and judgement of other humans based on opinion.
      Altruism does not require religion, and neither does any sort of miracles. As for bankers wars and religion, well, those religions are the best friend of the war mongers as all they have to do is flame a populace, and it is the easiest thing to do. A major weapon would taken from the bankers arsenal when religion becomes unimportant to the draftees. 50 guys cannot force 50,000 to fight if they are unwilling.
      Staying off the knees is a very ancient recommendation.

    • “… it leads to separation and judgement of other humans based on opinion.”

      You say while ignoring the fact that your condemnation of usury and promotion of human rights is also your opinion… And unless you run a military-industrial complex, it is a less enforceble opinion than the banksters’ opinion. Let’s follow logic all the way, shall we…?

      “Altruism does not require religion…”

      “… expecting people to be consistently altruistic towards people they do not have a relationship with and with whom they have little contact is unrealistic, it has no precedent in history, and it goes against the forces of evolution. Altruism as a means of managing resources in sprawling industrial societies always ends up leaning on state enforcement…”
      ~ “Capitalism: The Anatomy of a Wedge Issue,” Aaron Hawkins (StormCloudsGathering)

      Since state enforcement is very prone to corruption, the ultimate authority for altruism must logically come from an incorruptible power higher than the state.

      “… those religions are the best friend of the war mongers…”

      The geopolitical shift from the Atheist Soviet Union to Christian Russia says otherwise.

      “… when religion becomes unimportant to the draftees.”

      You say while ignoring that the draftees would continue worshiping Big Brother and Big Business while believing in nothing worth fighting the cartel over… How, exactly, is that supposed to hurt the banksters…?

    • Poppadop, Ask any priest from any religion, “Should I always tell the truth ?” They will say yes.

      Ask the Bishops and Cardinals and the most academic of those priests, “Should YOU always tell the truth ?” And that is where they do tell the truth, and they will always come around to the admittance, that Pious Fraud is a White Lie , and that the people are much better off not knowing the real truth because they are not capable of understanding it. They will argue that altruism is impossible, just as you did just now. I say, “How convenient.” and “How lucrative” and “How ridiculous”. China is the better example, as is India, and both account for billions of people, not millions. Any populace that has been lied to so deeply requires stages of truth to be unveiled as anything too fast will topple the entire structure. That is the danger and idiotic direction of Pious Fraud. Tell the truth always, and the problem does not exist in the first place.

  12. //// Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor////

    Sorry Ian. for this comment I would like to know what you think about, too:

    “Besides. If you believe that a tiny bunch of chemicals made it to develop into biological sentient beings and I’m sure you believe that, then you believe implicitly in the existence of a superior being as well.
    Because, if this tiny bunch developed into biological life with almost zero possibilities to make it, then, the possibilities of the whole Universe and all the chemicals inside it, to become a universal sentient being, are even more than 100%.
    If life is a chemical phenomenon then consciousness and thoughts are the result of electrical impulses . So, everything needed is out there.”

  13. ///// Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor
    August 23, 2017 at 8:16 am
    I have no idea what you are talking about, it makes zero sense to me, transcendent consciousness? Sounds like nonsense to me, part of a delusional idea that there is something more than just the short few decades we each get to live. Again, a belief that has no basis in fact and no supporting evidence, hence delusion.////

    I didn’t say Transcendent Consciousness.
    I mean a Transcendent or Transcendental Life, living with goals beyond the significance of your own existence, which you describe as a piece of meat beset with consciousness as a result of electrochemical reactions and hence, a source of complete delusion.
    And, as I said: the only two choices with such a worldview are either suicide or total pleasure, whatever the means to reach it.
    If you move btw those possibilities through life, you are not living according to your conviction.
    You don’t have to take it personally. Many people think that way today, but you wrote it down here and it is a good opportunity to find out where the catch lies hidden, in such a philosophy. To find out why, al those following that idea do not terminate themselves or leave everything behind to pursue ultimative pleasure. With a deluded consciousness as a byproduct of brain chemistry registering constantly our biological decay, the pain and the suffering, there is nothing else meaningful to do.
    According to your point of view, of course.

  14. https://ffrf.org/news/day/dayitems/item/14479-aldous-huxley
    Quote:
    “If we must play the theological game, let us never forget that it is a game. Religion, it seems to me, can survive only as a consciously accepted system of make-believe . . .

    You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion . . . Asses do not bray a liturgy to cloudless skies. Nor do cats attempt, by abstinence from cat’s meat, to wheedle the feline spirits into benevolence. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite intelligent enough.”
    —-Aldous Huxley, Texts and Pretexts,1932
    Compiled by Annie Laurie Gaylor

    • From “Letters from the Earth” by Mark Twain, published about 1938:
      Here is Mark Twain’s proof that man evolved down from the higher animals:
      “I placed one Anaconda Snake with a herd of 500 sheep; it took one for its meal.
      I placed two hunters with a herd of 500 buffalo; they slaughtered the whole herd.
      I therefore concluded the MAN evolved down from the HIGHER ANIMALS.
      Mark Twain

    • http://www.quotes.net/authors/Bertrand+Russell%2c+%22Why+I+am+Not+a+Christian%22
      Quote:
      Bertrand Russell, “Why I am Not a Christian”
      Bertrand Russell, “Why I am Not a Christian”
      British author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 – 1970)
      “I should wish to see a world in which education aimed at mental freedom rather than imprisoning the minds of the young in a rigid armor of dogma calculated to protect them though life against the shafts of impartial evidence.”
      – Bertrand Russell, “Why I am Not a Christian”

    • Say a prayer of thanks, every day, that engineers, who are responsible for the public safety in the design and planning of all physical objects which come into contact with humans; cars, buildings, airplanes, boats, tools, etc., are required to become expert in the laws of physics and mathematics and not the religious dogma, lest our cars would be crashing, our buildings and bridges caving in, our airplanes would not fly safely, boats would sink and so on. The laws of physics and mathematics are based on evidence and facts confirmed by the rules of the Scientific Method, generally established by the world’s greatest physicist Galileo Galilei about 4 centuries ago using Aristotelean Logic from the Greeks thousands of years ago.
      If religious dogma were more successful in this field why are not engineers required to become expert in religious dogma and not the laws of physics and mathematics? What say you all you religious fanatics ? Would you drive a car designed by a Rabbi or a Catholic Priest or a Lutheran Minister who did not know the laws of physics and mathematics or Aristotelean Logic?

    • Almost all human and animal suffering since the beginning of time can be traced to a single word in English: RELIGION. The Catholic Church is a well documented criminal enterprise yet they own some of the most expensive real estate in our country while the church uses money donated for church purposes to pay lawyers to get Catholic Priests out of criminal charges and keep them out of jail for molesting children! We must tax all religions just like the businesses they are and prosecute most for the massive fraud and deception they play on fools in our largely population of ignorant fools in America today. I believe some religions provide some benefits to mankind with concepts of forgiveness and so on. Unfortunately most Christians can’t be bothered while their corrupt government runs around the planet killing innocent children and adults in their names with impunity as they remain silent at church every Sunday. Ian is free to believe anything he chooses and I would never criticize him as far as religion is concerned. If he disavowed the laws of physics I would criticize him but so far as I know he never has.

    • “Unfortunately most Christians can’t be bothered while their corrupt government runs around the planet…”

      Russia’s Christians (and Muslims) rising up to stop this say, “Hi.” Or did you forget that when they were under the thumb of Atheist [read: Stalin-worshiping] Soviets, they were the Khazarian Mafia’s Orwellian frenemies…?

      “As  one  media  commentator  writes:  ’21st Century  Russia  is  proof  that  Christianity  can  prevail  against  darkness  and  confusion.  Today  the  liberals  who  control  the  West  fear  Putin…  it  is  not  a  nuclear  threat,  but  rather  a  spiritual  renewal  that  threatens  them.  It  is  not  Putin,  but   Russia’s   Christianity   they   fear.   Rather it   is  Christ  they  fear  and  hate… devout  Russian  Christians are on the march… these Russians are like  disciples  of  Christ,  who  lovingly  reach  out  to  their  brothers  and  sisters,  helping  men  and  women in darkness, enslaved by a materialistic society, who are truly in need of Christ.'”
      ~ “Is Vladimir Putin a Christian,” Peter Hammond

    • Poppadop: Yes, this is true. I may say that Orthodox Christians in Russia is the moral compass for the majority. If there were no Orthodox faith in Russia – i even don’t know what that would be. A chaos, maybe even more brutal than in the West. I mean the Faith. Of ordinary Russians. Yes, the Church and a State are away from each other. People are angry at the modern priests that drive Bentley, have yachts and great amount of real estates. We are (Orthodox Christians) not fanatics. Many atheists among us. But if you come to ANY church – there will always be a lot of people: elders and the modern youth. We constantly need moral compass and the simple laws for life. Never been aggressors, but in our faith if we are hit in one cheek, we never wait until another blow into another cheek. We pay back. Russia for the last 1000 years lived by the Faith, the Tzar, the Motherland. Saint things.
      As for the Earth… We all have right to express own opinion. To my mind-this is impossible to create everything on the planet from the proto-cells. Such enormous variety of flora and fauna. I’ve never heard any scientist could turn dead material into a living. And Darwin’s theory (that was main in USSR schools) i do not except. I do not come from apes. Personally i see two versions: God created or we are the experiment of any high civilization. Anyway – we can see it after death. Perhaps.
      Wish all here a strong health, long happy life!

    • Andrew, the choices are not simply atheist or christian, or Darwin. There are plenty of wonderful people in many places who balance science, and spirituality without christianity, and live moral lives with the spirit of exploration, not conclusive dogmas that restrict the exploration. I thought the Russian movie The Island was a beautiful (and humorous) demonstration of that. Spiritual people bring their gifts regardless of societies dogmas. The proportion is the same in all gifts whether it be blacksmiths, accountants, or bakers.

    • “and if a religion starts to manipulate people, paralyzing their will and zombie their brains – it is a brutal instrument of the manipulation…”

      Agreed, Andrew, and considering the Bible agrees (1 Thessalonians 5: “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.”) and zombie thinking is what got Jesus executed on trumped up charges in the first place, I don’t see what the problem is short of real Christianity getting in the banksters’ way of turning themselves into society’s God…

      “… how does POPPADOP get his text to come out in BOLD?”

      In your text, place a to start bold, and a to end it. Just remove the spaces. You can also do italics by using i instead of b.

      “… balance science, and spirituality without christianity…”

      Fair enough, but considering most of the people on the front lines against the Khazarian Mafia are Christians and Muslims, that says a lot, Dave. As Sun Tzu said, “… the leader of armies is the arbiter of the people’s fate, the man on whom it depends whether the nation shall be in peace or in peril.” “Blacksmiths, accountants, or bakers” all have their parts to play, but if your armed forces fall to corruption and/or conquest, you are extra buggered.

    • wjabbe, why do you think science is the product of the Christian West, while now pursued with at least equal brilliance by other countries, such as China and INdia ? The Chinese invented printing several centries before us. I was because, we believe that God made the world good, and not to be rejected, wholesale, in favour of the spiritual realm. The scientific endeavour of other countries was at best fitful, but virtually all the great paradigm shifts in physics were effected by scientisits who were Christian or Jewish.

      Also, they believed that he made man in the image of God, his Creator, and looked to his creation, expecting to see the work of a rational mind !

      Einstein was a panentheist (not a pantheist, still less an atheist) and his admiration for the Christ in scripture was ‘off the dial’ ‘ Planck, the Father of quantum physics, was a Lutheran sidesman all his life ; Newton scorned mathematics and physics in favour of religion ; the Belgian priest, Georges Lemaitre, was responsible for the Big Bang theory, Gergor Mendel was the pioner of genetics ; and as for Galileo, he remained a devout Christian all his life, and would have become a priest in his youth, but for the influence of his powerful father. The list seems endless. And these were the major, epoch-making, paradigm shifts.

    • And how much farther would we have come in learning and science without religion? I say incalculably further, just look how much knowledge was destroyed as heresy, how many books were burned, how many enlightened thinkers killed, all in the name of religion. The Catholic Church alone is guilty of holding back the development of society, culture, learning, knowledge, education etc. for centuries. I say we have only developed as far as we have despite the curse of religion and once we finally shed it, we will be far, far better off.

  15. The Virgin mother. Yesterday was Aug 22nd in the Gregorian calendar,”The Feast of the Queenship of Mary” is celebrated Aug 22nd (first day of Virgin decan) after being moved from May, by Pope Pius 12th, who was served and waited on for 40 years by Pasculina Lehnert born during the 10 day decan of Virgin, Aug 22nd-Sept 2. Lehnert was born Aug 25. Mother Teresa, the best money collector the church has seen in decades, was also born a Virgin, born Aug 26. Women born during Virgin decan are numerous in the church. They are the steadfast hands that hold up the pillars and help fill the coffers. I bring this up, as the Pope the other day once again warned people about using astrology, and yet the proof that the church uses it efficaciously and prolifically is beyond abundant. The 20 days and 36 decans make up the foundation for the Bible text. There is no mistake about this as the correlating texts from multiple cultures , including the I-Ching,( which is vastly older than 2,000 years) contain verbatim correlations and can also be proved using modern examples of the timing involved in church decisions, including the Hastily organized ordination of the current Pope. They are caught, and it is only a matter of time. Pun intended.

    • I do not challenge people on their belief in a Creator or how it all got here. Rather, I challenge them to do it without the book that is falsely put forth as a historical record. Many veteran brothers and sisters have died and many have ended the lives of innocent civilians based on encouragement derived from this book. It could not be more malicious to teach it as it is. The money and power gained by a few is enormously evident in this regard, and that should suffice as proof. Do not give them money. That would be my test of their virtue and proximity to any God or Creator. Test THEIR faith, and see what they teach after they lose their tax free mansions and lavish estates, or even the special treatment of the ego driven country preacher.

    • Yes, God and the Baby Jesus don’t really need tithe, now do they?

      Cue: Led Zepplin “Stairway to Heaven”
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS6n2Hx9Ykk
      Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow,
      And did you know
      Your stairway lies on the whispering wind.
      And as we wind on down the road
      Our shadows taller than our soul.
      There walks a lady we all know
      Who shines white light and wants to show
      How ev’rything still turns to gold.
      And if you listen very hard
      The tune will come to you at last.
      When all are one and one is all
      To be a rock and not to roll.
      And she’s buying a stairway to heaven.

  16. Some people find it very difficult to believe in anything/anyone who exists outside of our 5 physical senses. Two hundred years ago, nobody knew that radio waves existed. It is hard for some people to think that there is any more to the universe than just the 3 dimensions that we perceive through our 5 senses. I don’t agree with them though.

  17. I think that without religion there are also chosen ones in every society, look how no-religion worked in the Soviet Union, did they not have first among others? They ditched the religion all the way. And what happened? No-religion (no deity) leaves vacuum for cults all the time, person cults, army cults, political leader cults, and sometimes societies end up on their mercy. When you sing an anthem and put hands on your heart or wave them it is also a type of worship, much like a religious one.

    • Not sure what history book you’ve read about Russia “They ditched the religion all the way.”

      “They” didn’t. It was eradicated by the Bolsheviks, thank you very much. The people who bought into the psyop, pushed the envelop, and bought wodka. Putin says “Большое спасибо” too.

      Provers 31:6-8

  18. This is not a proof for eternal life but it is certainly a proof that you’re facing your own beliefs in a wrong and untruthful way.

    There are many today following this “philosophy” of the “walking corpse”, but, despite the obvious implications of such a thinking, they still go on struggling. To graduate, to get a good job, to marry, have children(!), to toil and moil for them so they can repeat the cycle again, suffer pains, limitations and finally die.

    Besides. If you believe that a tiny bunch of chemicals made it to develop into biological sentient beings and I’m sure you believe that, then you believe implicitly in the existence of a superior being as well.
    Because, if this tiny buch developed into biological life with almost zero possibilities to do it, then, the possibilities of the whole Universe and all the chemicals inside it to become a universal sentient being, are even more than 100%.
    If life is a chemical phenomenon then consciousness and thoughts are the result of electrical impulses . So, everything needed is out there.

  19. ////. Ian Greenhalgh, Managing Editor
    August 22, 2017 at 10:07 pm
    I definitely do not believe in a higher eternal self, people simply have this deep desire to believe there is more to life than the 70-80 years we get, whereas I don’t have that desire, when you’re gone, you’re gone, worm food, and I will continue to stick to this position until someone can present concrete proof to the contrary. /////

    Ok. Why are you living a transcendent life, then?
    A man, convinced to be a walking corpse has only two choices. To blow his brains off, or, to lead a life searching for the outmost pleasant feelings, as a state of mind. With no other scope as to die in a rush of pleasure.
    Everything in between is nonsense, for someone thinking that his consciousness ends with the body’s death.
    That belief however, implies some more incongruences, because, if consciousness dies with the body, then everything is delusion. Good and evil, right or wrong and so on. Why bother then, when the only reality is biological decay, suffering of all kinds and death?

    • I have no idea what you are talking about, it makes zero sense to me, transcendent consciousness? Sounds like nonsense to me, part of a delusional idea that there is something more than just the short few decades we each get to live. Again, a belief that has no basis in fact and no supporting evidence, hence delusion.

  20. Religion I believe sprungs from the attempts to explain the notions of universal good and universal evil. It is an attempt to worship universal good, but falls short every time it starts putting corporal or territorial or physical before spiritual and conscious. Various churches and christian denominations, synagogues, jewish and muslim faiths do not collide or try to bury each other and all else until they put land or earthly riches before their morals and principles. Religion has to be Faith first, otherwise it is just a useless ceremony.

    • It also springs from the attempt to explain why things happen the way they do: earthquakes, thunder storms, tsunamis, why people sicken and as often was the case back then, die. Why crops fail, why children are still born. Any number of the ills that afflicted humanity as well as those that do not. ‘We had a good crop this year and the mother and child lived through birthing so the god(s) must be pleased with me.
      The use of scientific research, reason and logic has explained away the superstitious belief that an angry deity caused his crops to fail, the eruption of a volcano or the loss of a newborn.

    • I never understood why people want to confront science with religion, when it is obvious that both can exist together and as well each on their own. Religion has always been in conflict with territoriality, while Religion and Science together have come a long way and continue to do so. Territoriality is an animalistic behavior which science explains easily but fails to integrate it into human society to serve humanity, and then it is when religion tries to step in and solve it for science.

  21. So Dr Sapolsky wants me to “believe” that he is rational and all those people referred to in the Gallop Poll are Not ??? What proof does he have ? None. If Dr. Sapolsky was born in say 1001 BC he would be “believing” that the Sun revolves around the Earth. If he said otherwise he would be called “irrational” if he was lucky. If not he might have been killed.

    My point is that what we believe today could very well change dramatically tomorrow.

    “It’s no surprise that the universe continues to confirm theories of physics one minute and break them the next. So much of the universe is still a big unknown as far as we’re concerned. Theories come and go, and although Einstein’s has been relatively successful, the emergency of new technologies will continue to allow us to challenge earlier assumptions.”
    https://futurism.com/a-new-discovery-is-challenging-einsteins-theory-of-relativity/

    • The Ancient Greeks were well aware that the Earth went round the sun, I expect most other ancient civilizations were also well aware of this.

    • Ian, I am aware of this fact. But had you ran the Gallop Poll back in the time of Claudius Ptolemaeus the remarks by Dr. Sapolski would have been called irrational. My only point is that everything we qualify as “we know” is fluid in this World. A discovery of an extra dimension and how to access it could potentially destroy everything Dr. Sapolski says as being “irrational”. Thus I reason “irrational” is not necessarily a permanent state.

      “Copernicus (1473-1543) was not the first person to claim that the Earth rotates around the Sun. In Western civilization, ancient Greek astronomer Aristarchus of Samos is generally credited with being the first person to propose a Sun-centred astronomical hypothesis of the universe (heliocentric). At that time, however, Aristarchus’s heliocentrism gained few supporters and 18 centuries would then pass before Renaissance astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus produced a fully predictive mathematical model of a heliocentric system.”

      http://www.astronomytrek.com/who-discovered-the-earth-moves-around-the-sun/

  22. I definitely do not believe in a higher eternal self, people simply have this deep desire to believe there is more to life than the 70-80 years we get, whereas I don’t have that desire, when you’re gone, you’re gone, worm food, and I will continue to stick to this position until someone can present concrete proof to the contrary.

  23. Thank you Ian. You should keep the emails, and publish them in some humorous form later on down the line.

  24. You do not have to be religious to believe in God. To me, “God” is the creative force which gives rise to all life, as a means to experience every aspect of its creation, simultaneously. Some people don’t need a man in a costume to tell them about God. Religion is a tool used by men in costumes, to exploit billions of people and their fear of the unknown.

    I think too many people are quick to blame God for the lustful and selfish free will choices of mankind. I would never claim to have all the answers, but one thing I do know, is that “random genetic mutations” falls far short of explaining the miracle of life. Most, if not all random genetic mutations result in disease and death. Not life.

    That being said, I’m not going to call you names because you believe something different than me, Ian. I’d rather ask you, what do you believe?

    • I am very in agreement with you on religion. For me, it is simple – everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but when people get together, decide their beliefs are ‘right’ and others ‘wrong’ and form a religion to impose their beliefs on others, that is a very bad thing and should be bitterly opposed.

      What do I believe? That’s a tricky one, in terms of religion, I believe that the Abrahamic religions – Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all equally fallacious as they have all been altered and manipulated over time to suit the interests of various elite groups. They all descend from the religion of ancient Sumer, and the fact that much has been deliberately hidden from us about Sumer and it’s religion strongly suggests that there is some great secret being hidden that if revealed, would greatly damage, perhaps even destroy the Abrahamic religions.

      In terms of God, well, I don’t believe there is a supernatural being that lives in ‘heaven’ and created life, I also am very reticent to buy into other concepts of ‘God’ such as a universal consciousness, so perhaps it is best to say that I do not believe any of the God theories that I am aware of.

      Does that answer your question?

    • Very well said, Ian, and yes that answers my question. Thank You. Forcing beliefs on people is wrong, especially when it comes to belief in God, as nobody on earth can say definitively, one way or the other. If I came off as insulting in my comment on your previous article, I apologize. It was not my intention.

      I was an atheist once, up until about 10 years ago, but circumstances in life led me to believing in God. The people closest to me noticed a positive change in my personality and I noticed the same in myself. I’m a firm believer that if you’re going to go searching for God, it’s something you have to do on your own terms. It cannot be forced and it cannot be proven to anyone who is not interested. In fact, nothing can be proven to anyone who isn’t ready to hear certain things. I’ve learned that the hard way. You can open the door for someone, but you can’t push them through it.

      If everyone believed the same things, the world would be a pretty boring place, wouldn’t it? There would be nothing to discuss and nothing new to learn. Thanks again for taking the time to explain. It’s much more productive and interesting than exchanging insults. Have a good day, Ian.

    • Well said, I always value a good debate, and don’t worry, you didn’t insult me, it was the people who were deliberately trying to be offensive that I railed against, and those people did not want to debate, they just wanted to be angry, indignant and scornful.

    • I guess some people don’t understand that being angry, indignant and scornful, is no way to get their point across. That type of response is typically employed in the absence of any logical, or rational rebuttal. We see it all the time on MSM, when the presstitutes are attempting to solidify their worn out, senseless rhetoric. Nothing good can come of it.

      They don’t want to debate, because all they have is worn out, dogmatic ideology, which even then, is often contradictory to the scriptures which they profess to live by. Again, this is paralleled in the MSM as well, as the blow-hards employ terms like “freedom” and “democracy”, while advocating for the killing of innocent people in foreign lands and the overthrow of elected governments.

      Civilized discussion and debate is the only way to get anywhere when dealing with complex subjects. It’s becoming more and more difficult to find people who are capable and willing to discuss topics of contention in a civilized matter. Thank you Ian, for being one of the few, and I’m glad you were not insulted by my comments. Cheers.

  25. Ian, i did respond to your article. I did not intend it be insulting. If it came across as such, my apology.
    Organized religion may be an agent for mental illness in some. However a singular belief in one God is no more far fetched than believing in the big bang theory. It is a more benign belief, but may also cause illness. So I leave there. My friend.

    • Ah, Joe, don’t worry, you said nothing wrong, it was the people who sent me emails and FB messages I was referring to, some of the ones I read were quite hilarious really, suggestions that I copulated with my maternal parent or with various ruminant animals, or that I must have suffered some sort of traumatic experience that had warped my tiny mind. I even learned a couple of new insults I may find recourse to use myself in future. I am not really a subscriber to any theory on the origins of the universe for the simple reason that it’s not an area I have ever spent much time looking into, I’m more interested in the origins of mankind, not least because it is something we might actually figure out one day, whereas we may never know how the universe began.

  26. *However, not one of them can offer any evidence of such, other than to insist that the fact the universe even exists is proof God exists.*

    There is always the same nonsense. What are you really talking about?
    Are you talking about God as universal consciousness or even omniscience, or are you referring to religious bureaucracy?

    • Pious Fraud is the core of the excuse for all religions. It converts to monetary Fraud as soon as money changes hands. Stop giving them money and see how long they care for your soul. Your personal belief does not need a group agreement. Just like loving marriage dos not require a document of any kind.
      “Pious fraud (Latin: pia fraus) is used to describe fraud in religion or medicine. A pious fraud can be counterfeiting a miracle or falsely attributing a sacred text to a biblical figure due to the belief that the “end justifies the means”, in this case the end of increasing faith by whatever means available.”

    • Consider the great wealth the Vatican has amassed over the centuries. For what? To hire large armies for religious conquests? To influence politics? To do great deeds of social welfare?
      The rise of the mega church in America , the wealth they generate along with the property it owns , all tax free of course provides for some easy pickins for the creators of the churches.
      In the past several decacdes of televised religion, the growth of some of these churches has provided a very comfortable income for the leaders, to the point where they can purchase mansions, expensive foreign luxury cars, private jets, yachts along with owning properties such as apartment buildings, titty bars and who knows what else.
      These people are nothing more than pick pockets. Worse yet having reintroduced the practice of selling indulgences via the airwaves.

  27. There is another group of people suffering from this same delusion, even worse: they claim to be the chosen people of an unproven deity.
    America has often produced some of the world’s great religious leaders: Oral Roberts, Jimmy Sweigart, Jim Baker, Ted Hagard, Billy and Franklin Graham, Robert Schuler, Pat Robertson, John Hagee and probably the worst of the lot: Jerry Falwell. The sordid life of this squalid little man is filled with the kind of chicanery and hypocrisy that would shame any other two bit tent revivalist. The list of these charlatans, frauds and pick pockets continues in a never ending parade of those willing to sell something based on false promises and empty claims. even worse, the abuse of children in doing so is unforgivable.
    Religion is the worst scam ever inflicted upon humanity. The history of the human race, particularly that of the past 3000 years or so have proven to be the bloodiest time in all of humanity and the role of religion in these never ending blood baths is all too plain to see.
    The time has come for humanity to ditch this religious rubbish once and for all grow up.

    • “A world without religion has no chosen ones.”

      “Money is the god of our times, and Rothschild is his prophet.”
      ~ Heinrich Heine, 1841

      So no, purely man-controlled religions like worshiping money or worshiping government will still create “chosen ones.” I thought it would be obvious that giving such corruptible gods monopolies on modifying society’s behavior would be a terrible idea…

    • Poppadop, money is a religion of this world and the reason why it was created is connected closely to the ancestors of the “Rothschild bloodline”. The “chosen ones” without money would appear quite human.
      Money was always the God of Israel. A tool for control, power and slavery.
      Heinrich Heine would not be allowed to make a statement like this in our “modern world” without being persecuted.

    • “Money was always the God of Israel. A tool for control, power and slavery.”

      Exactly right, Ed, and “the love of money is the root of all evil.” God has always stood against Mammon, the money god and the man-gods serving or controlling it. I mean, have you read Alexis’s “George Soros: I carry potent messianic fantasies”? Some of these banksters literally consider themselves gods. Anyone who claims such a power or force can be effectively fought while believing in nothing bigger and better is either being dishonest or has no idea what it really means to fight the Khazarian Mafia.

      “I have got a bullet in front of my house, from my private house, a complete bullet as a threat… Honestly, I think if I was not – if I had no faith, if I was not Catholic, I will not be here and I will not be speaking the truth.”
      ~ Former Swiss banker Francois Siebenthal, 2015

      ”We are opposing to those people… that ‘world elite’ which plans to establish technogenic based neo-slavery system seriously and forever. Under such world disorder, there will simply be no place for majority of people.  Every ordinary fighter realizes it here.  That’s what has started here; that’s what has started here in Novorussia… After Russia disintegrates, we will get world structure ruled literally by the devil.”
      ~ Donbass militia member Gennadiy Dubovoi, 2014

    • Jonas’ article on Soros was completely wrong, he is not part of the Khazarian mafia, nor is he a Zionist.

    • “… [Soros] is not part of the Khazarian mafia…”

      Ukraine’s Maidan coup chaining the country to more IMF debt and providing a provocation against Russia via the “anti-terrorist operation” were right in line with the Khazarian Mafia. Or are you saying Soros had nothing to do with that…?

    • Yup, Soros had nothing to do with it, the people behind that were the Khazarian mafia, who are Soros’ bitter enemies.

    • Poppadop, you are not keeping up, the IMF turned down Ukraine for the first installment (1 billion) due to obvious corruption. Since then, lots of jostling and Russia blaming.

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