Revisited: MH17 was really MH370

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[Editor’s note: This article was originally published July 17th, 2017 but it is now more relevant and important than ever, given the recent re-igniting of the MH17 narrative with the continued attempts to blame Russia.

I can quickly summarise the whole fiasco – there was no Buk missile, there was no Russian foreknowledge, the entire official narrative is false.

What really happened was that the aircraft that disappeared a year earlier during Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 was brought out of hiding, still containing it’s Asian passengers and crew, then flown by remote over the conflict zone in Eastern Ukraine to be shot down by a fighter aircraft – probably an Israeli F-15 operating out of Azerbaijan.

From the moment the first bodies hit the ground, Russia was blamed, tales of Buk missile launchers being seen nearby were concocted, the whole thing was leveraged as par of the ongoing demonisation of Russia. Ian]

WARNING: The video above contains many horrifically graphic images of decomposing and smashed corpses, do not watch if you are at all squeamish.

It is three years since a plane crashed into a field in Ukraine, a plane that the world’s co-opted and controlled media claimed was Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 from Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam.

I am now confident in stating that there never was a flight MH17 from Schiphol, that the whole story is a great stinking pile of bovine fecal matter and the truth is so shocking and disturbing that few outside the online conspiracy folks have dared to even consider it could be true.

The plane that crashed in Ukraine was, in fact, Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 that had disappeared months earlier. The plane was full of corpses – the passengers of MH370, murdered and their bodies preserved with chemicals.

Forget any of the media coverage, it is all lies and distractions, instead, go directly to the primary source – the Ukrainian people who were there on the ground and witnessed exactly what fell from the sky and ended up spread across the landscape.

The video at the top of this article reveals the truth in graphic detail, after viewing it, you will be left in no doubt that this was indeed MH370, complete with it’s cargo of decomposing Asian corpses. In case anything happens to the youtube version, you can also find this video at Liveleak.


https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbf_1429163375

Here is the accompanying text:

Narrator in possession of over 5000 pictures from Mh17 crash site point out numerous strange anomalies associated with the victims from MH-17.

1) Glowing fluorescent dye near 1st body
2) Strong smell of formaldehyde in air
3) Absence of blood on and around corpses
4) Bloated damp corpses
5) Victims not European looking- she states that most looked Asian
6) Strange dead birds, including a blue and yellow Macaw that is, ironically, the same color as the Ukrainian flag at the 3:10 mark. This is a tropical bird which makes one wonder why it was flying on a plane from Amsterdam to Southeast Asia. Normally, one would expect that such an occurrence may take place the other way round.
7) She states that the cell phone data had no 2014 photos, only photos from 2013.
8) Bluish/black lips on victims
9) She states the passports were all brand new and unused

The British tabloid rag The Daily Star, owned by Zionist Jewish pornographer Richard Desmond has labelled any notion that the official story is not true and that the corpses were stale as ‘outlandish conspiracy theories’, which should be taken as another confirmation that the Zionist criminals are keen to cover up their atrocious mass murder.

‘They were dead BEFORE it crashed’ Shock claim about doomed flight MH17

As we can see from the Sputnik article below, the US is deeply involved in the cover-up and along with Israel, is no doubt behind the whole MH370-MH17 saga.

What I wonder is why have the Russians and Malaysians not exposed this entire farce for the sick and disgusting fairytale it really is. The Russians must have all of the evidence needed to do so as they had days to examine the crash site and they must know at least as much as the locals in Donbass, which is plenty to be able to expose the whole thing.

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Sputnik
US Urges Nations to Cooperate on Joint Investigation Team’s MH17 Crash Probe

On July 17, 2014, Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 was shot down by a missile in eastern Ukraine while flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. All 298 passengers and crew aboard the aircraft died in the incident.

“The United States will continue to support the efforts of the Joint Investigation Team and urges other states to cooperate fully in order to ensure those responsible are brought to justice,” Nauert stated. “As we and the Joint Investigation Team have said, Russian-led forces in eastern Ukraine fired the surface-to-air BUK missile — brought into sovereign Ukrainian territory from Russia — that took down flight MH17.”

Earlier in July, Amsterdam said the trial in the case of the MH17 crash would be held in the Netherlands. Ukraine and the Netherlands are planning on July 7 to sign an agreement on international legal cooperation that will entitle the Dutch side to hold trial, according to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.

“We welcome the team’s recent decision to grant jurisdiction to the Dutch courts for the prosecution of those responsible for this tragedy,” Nauert added. “We have full confidence in the ability of the Dutch criminal justice system to conduct a prosecution that is comprehensive, objective and just.”

The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) tasked with probing the crash announced in September that the MH17 airliner was allegedly downed by a Buk missile system, which was brought from Russia and after the crash returned there. However, Russia’s Almaz-Antey concern rejected findings in the probe, saying that three simulations showed that the missile was launched from the Zaroshchens’ke area, controlled by Ukraine’s army at the time of the downing.

 

 

 


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Ian Greenhalgh is a photographer and historian with a particular interest in military history and the real causes of conflicts.

His studies in history and background in the media industry have given him a keen insight into the use of mass media as a creator of conflict in the modern world.

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72 COMMENTS

  1. “What I wonder is why have the Russians and Malaysians not exposed this entire farce for the sick and disgusting fairytale it really is.” Yes. An element of answer is that the Russians and the Malaysians have not exposed any farce about the Twin Towers’ destruction. Could there be some common motivation behind these two non-exposures?

    Love,

  2. Ian Greenhalgh gives you everything you need in this thread to understand what VT is all about.

    Us the people are waking up and the deception is becoming ever more apparent. The need to defend Russia and not link them into the network of criminals who have manufactured the reality we are living in is beyond telling.

  3. The postulation that MH17=MH370 is intriguing but fials to answer obvious queries., such as, if the passengers in Ukraine were ex-MH17, then what happened to all the passengers that boarded in Amsterdam?

    Could the absence of blood from the corpses be explained by the sudden depressurization at 30,000ft? At the moment of depressurizaton the passengers will all “bleed out” from a body pressure of 13psia to roughly 3psia, leaving little blood in the body cavity. Meanwhile, air is rushing through the damaged cabin at high speed, causing over a thousand liters of passenger blood to enter the air, possibly as a fine mist. Although the cabin air temperature had dropped to minus 30 degrees, it takes over 20 minutes to freeze a warm human body. So the bodies were not frozen when they hit the ground. As to why most were naked is indeed a mystery.

    In other words, the Live Leak video doesn’t prove that MH17=MH370. The Liveleak Commenter JoeyCz points out a few more issues:

    –quote–
    JoeyCz (967.30) Apr-16-2015
    Interesting, but what I see is:

    1) Glowing fluorescent dye near 1st body
    Cant see much, but have you seen your car radiator fluid or brake fluid?
    Can be some technical fluid.

    2) Strong smell of formaldehyde in air
    I dont know who she is and how could she recognize smell of burned bodies, plastic and jet fuel from what she is saying.

    3) Absence of blood on and around corpses
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbf_1429163375
    [..more]

  4. Ok, so I’ll take a stab at putting this to bed. If there was such a thing as publicly utilized numerology, it would have very little value, but that does not mean synchronicities do not exist. The problem is when ammeters and folks who wouldn’t know where to begin, try to apply it to complex situations and the result is confusion.
    I remember the long list of things that have happened on Feb 22, at 2 pm. This does not mean someone planned it, and it does not mean that it has meaning. But to the point of the periodic table, the numbers are according to atomic weights, so there would be other ways to number them, but nobody has shown a better way than by weight. But Mendeleev got that in a dream, not by scientific method. He confirmed it by scientific method.

  5. “Look, the people in the intelligence community who plan and carry out operations…” – IG

    But what about the people who give orders to the intel agencies? Or what do the entities (whoever/whatever they may be) at the very top of the power pyramid believe? Certainly the latter question is impossible to answer, when the real controllers cannot (or will not) be identified?

  6. “The people that plan these events are well aware of this nutcase belief so they may well encourage it, but no way are they planning their ops using this mystical numbers nonsense.” – IG

    Why not use numerology to plan events as the best way to encourage the “nutcase belief”? That would be a rational action of someone who believes numerology is utter tosh, but understands that the belief in utter tosh by others helps to predict the behavior of these “nutcases” (assuming using numerology does not otherwise compromise the operation)?

  7. The sick F-cks that planned and implemented these events let you know for sure that they will have no problem killing everything and anything that thwarts their evil agenda. Women, children, Navy Seals, they don’t care whom they murder. They’re not exactly humanity at its’ finest; more like soulless sub-humans.

  8. Before MH370 affair, was conveniently been builded an new hangar with the size to hide a Boeing 777 airplane in Diego Garcia island USAF Base, the fuel of MH370 was enough to until reach that place, the US government always refused show radar data of this base that he had showed the flight over Indian Ocean when the transponder was shut off. About the pilot of the plane was found it at your house in his flight simulator program he did have programed 4 airstrips for practice and one of thos was Diego Garcia, why ??? Also after a week of disappearance we have the strange case of the Philip Wood text message, who was at that time a IBM engineer, and that was a passenger of that flight, a message where he said the flight was kidnapped by unknown military personal and he can hide his iphone in his ass before his eyes was blindfolded….. Some loose threads around this affair.

  9. MB: Yes. DNA tests in Netherlands do NOT prove that ‘MH17’ bodies came from MH17. ‘Chain of Custody’ questions remain for both getting the ‘passengers’ to the ‘MH17’ crash site AND for what happened with the bodies on the way from the ‘MH17’ crash site to the Netherlands. Hmmm…

  10. Dear Sir,s, with interest I read all yours comments about MH-17. But I believe we are done with this launch of the aircraft.astray. I have same questions to you. In the passenger-list I find only 298 named male or female, I don’t found any Education which they had? that will very important in the case.Remember the Crime was in the time where the Ebola were on the high point on the Ebola with 11000 peopel die. In Sierra Leone there was a bio war lab ( Kenema ) the virus were out f control just bey fake.I found three top researcher in the passengers list.
    Glenn Thomas was an AIDS and Ebola giant also the WHO media officer and coordinator investigating a US biologicial weapens lab in Kenema. Also Joep Lange a former Aids Researchers and president of international AIDS socciety ( IAS ) with his wife Jacqueline van Tongeren from Amsterdamer Institute for Global Health and Development. Bey the way, just in the time was a Nato Maneuver with Name BREEZE,
    We must ask the Nato,they know it the Ukraine was under total Radarkontrolle.AWACS and BOEING. There we get the answer in this Crime.On the plane MH-17 were some more Experts about Ebola on way to a Ebola conference in Australia, I have seen it, My deep sympathy for murdered relatives. a
    German with greetings all of you.

  11. And I think you don’t understand how “alignments“ work. For most cases it’s enough for just a few attributes of the case to be fixed (like date, name(s), location(s)). And there’s no need for people who carry it out to know anything or to worry about digital underlining whatsoever. They just do what they have been told. It also seems to me extremely naive to think that secret societies have not penetrated at least the upper echelons of all intelligence agencies. And there’s an equal sign between such societies and the world “occult”. It’s not just my opinion. Many well-known researches (including those writing on VT pages) think the same way. I have all the reasons to trust them. That’s it.

  12. Ian, Dr Abu Bakar: I’ve held this view that MH17 = MH370 from the very beginning. Assuming they replaced the majority of victims (total 298) for the MH17 job from the MH370 casualty list (283), how do you account for Malaysian MH17 victims list and their NOK ? They’re all crisis actors? I have trouble with acccounting that.

  13. Mr. Greenhalgh, We obviously have different understanding of many things. Like I’ve said earlier I do not feel any need in imposing my views on you (or anybody else for that matter), neither I have any intention to accept yours. I think it’s quite normal.

    • You obviously don’t understand anything about how the intelligence agencies work if you really think they use this numbers nonsense to plan anything. I spend a lot of time dealing with people from the intelligence community, so it’s not a case of accepting my views, I am stating fact and if you chose to not accept that fact because you think you know better then you are simply deluding yourself and have no clue of the reality of the situation.

  14. US-First, the Russian fighter pilots couldn’t do this. The flights are registered. It would be a straight point to be accused. Pure evidence. Tell you as a son of a dad – MIG-25 interceptor USSR pilot.

  15. Henry77: It’s hard to describe our time better than Jury Lina did in the intro to his book “Architect of Deception”. “Without details about the true history of freemasonry, it is very difficult to orientate oneself in today’s world. … It has been possible to clearly identify the masonic forces, which have done everything in their power to transform our world into Hell on Earth”… “We have been damaged mentally, physically and genetically. We have begun to prefer darkness to light. Most of us have chosen to believe in the illusory myths of the freemasons and assisted in the fight against those who have attempted to reveal the true facts. Far too many of us choose to defend these dark forces.”

  16. US satellites in this situation were blind. Psaki said they have the proof – it is in the youtube. Very strange blind evidence. Though we all know in Russia, that USA has the best and the largest satellite group in the orbit. But “suddenly” ….. there were no evident proof. Spy-sats were on dinner in McDonalds…..

  17. Alex__B: You could be right Alex. I don’t have insider info to dispute your position. For instance I think the date 9/11 was chosen just for this alignment of numbers. 911 – is an emergence number in the US.

    Also Amsterdam is famous for another “terror-theatric” event. The “underwear bomber” boarding a plane there to Detroit WITH assistance from people who freely moved around the airport. A Detroit lawyer and his wife sitting next to boarding area entrance saw how the kid was led through without checking him. Things got so hairy for them that they moved out of the US 🙂
    https://www.sott.net/article/315075-Eyewitnesses-Underwear-bomber-was-escorted-onto-plane

  18. Henry77: What you call ”useful diversion” is known as “digital alignment” and have been used by Satanists all over the world for ALL their actions without exceptions for centuries. The number of examples goes on thousands. Try to fit in your theory thousands of small local crimes that most “armchair detectives” have no idea about. You also forget to mention who’s creating this “useful diversion” . As we were told above “the intelligence community who plan and carry out operations … are not using some mystical numbers to schedule anything”. Then who does it ?

    • No-one does it, you’re reading something that isn’t really there, like some people say they can read things about your future from the lines on your hand. The people that plan these events are well aware of this nutcase belief so they may well encourage it, but no way are they planning their ops using this mystical numbers nonsense.

  19. Mr. Greenhalgh: My spin on the number aspect is that it could be used as a useful diversion element of an operation. This element attracts the armchair detectives who include it in their analysis of the whole operation. When they focus on it ,things are setup to discredit the whole analysis done by the armchair detective.

    The more such “strange” elements you include in your operation the better. The more high visibility the operation the better to use these “crazy element” (the Lady in a Polka-dot Dress). It cost you NOTHING.

  20. “… why have the Russians and Malaysians not exposed this entire farce for the sick and disgusting fairytale it really is. ”
    I will venture a guess regarding Malaysians. Here it is,
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/kuala-lumpur-tribunal-finds-israel-guilty-of-crimes-against-humanity-genocide/5359404

    “The Russians must have all of the evidence needed to do so as they had days to examine the crash site and they must know at least as much as the locals in Donbass, which is plenty to be able to expose the whole thing.”
    This is a puzzle. They must have high resolution photos of the bodies and for sure samples of bodies and the strange fluids.

    The lady in the video says that there was a greenish fluid around the bodies seen on the road and NOT blood. The smell was extremely strong. The smell was so strong next the fuselage show in the photo that one could not stand there. It seemed that the fuselage was saturated with whatever was giving off the strong chemical smell. It was a smell one would encounter in a morgue. One reporter who had experience with two previous air crashes stated that in the area of the crash one would find an ocean of blood. At this site there was none. Then the suitcases had winter clothing and this is all happening in the Summer. Apparently the media in the West was saying that there was a lot of children on the flight. Well the lady after looking at all the bodies she encountered only saw about 6.

    Lady speaking says she was there within 20 min. of the crash

  21. My relatives are living between the enemies, the only reason they still live is because they support the enemy with medical help.
    Daily conversations between them make me fully aware what is going on there.
    The Ukrainian army is shooting and provocing russia every day, the civilian war is not civilian, it has nothing to do with the local people, in fact most of the refugees from Donetsk live in Kiev now!
    The Urainian army is not a Ukrainian real army, it contains of young lower-class boys who do not have any future perspective in their live, who come from villages in the Western areas, they are drunk every day and night, getting traines by the NATO forces, but lack of any more motivation then to just send a monthly paycheck to their home, they miss the balls and motivation, thats why the conflict is stale-mate since 3 years.
    Also to mention what people dont know, this Ukrainian army i am talking about is maybe 30% real governmental army (as i just mentioned) and the rest are hired forces, mercinaries, they are from the private armies of the jewish olichargs which try to get more power in Ukraine, they have more money then the government and they are another government inside a government, they do their own thing and giving Porkey a hard time to keep himself in power.

    • “they are from the private armies of the jewish olichargs which try to get more power in Ukraine”

      Harretz Israeli media published an article on Feb 28th 2014, confirming the cooperation between Israel and the Nazi svoboda party? According to the article, A former IDF soldier known only as “delta” leads a group called the blue helmets of Maidan and wears a kippah under his helmet. He has headed a force of 40 men and women, including several fellow IDF veterans. Delta, is an Orthodox Jew in his late 30’s and prays at Azman’s Brodsky synagogue. Delta says he takes orders from Svoboda. He says, “they know I’m Jewish and an ex-IDF soldier. They call me brother.” He says fellow Jews have criticized him for working with Svoboda. He said, “some asked me if instead of Shalom, they should greet me with Sieg Heil.”

  22. And another thing, my relatives live in a small village inside the bufferzone, they see ukrainian tanks entering their town and shooting towards the ‘russian’ area, where they have no real targets, just shooting randomly, not knowing where the bombs will fall, no firing back from the ‘russian’ area because hey they would violate the minsk agreement isnt it!!! But the ukrainians bombing every day until today!!
    No media coverage, nothing, the ‘russian’ people of donbass dont exist.
    For them the MH-17 has not any meaning anymore, they know what happened (on the scene) but since then they are trying to survive.
    No russian troops on the Donetsk side, only volanteers.
    One more thing, they say Russian agression, the Ukrainiana need to save the people in Donbass…. really? Then why you never hear about humanitarian aid for these people, no food, medications, no support from the western world, they are left alone and getting bombed, the only one helping them is russia, but cannot do more then just support with food and water because they being watched on with a micoscope..

    • Right, Boris111. MH-17 was a false flag against Russia. In this case – always look who has the profit. Immediately after the plane crash ALL western media like a barking dogs in the chorus blamed Russia and their investigation was done so quickly. Mr. Sherlock Holmes would die from professional envy….

  23. Ivan Ivanov: None of us, not belonging to secret societies, knows what these numbers mean for sure. But there’s such scientific and universal term as “pattern” – something that’s irrelevant to beliefs, societies, magic, or inability of someone to recognize them. The presence of these patterns can be established both mathematically (in the form of very low probability for them to appear), or in some cases just by common sense (like a coin falling on the same side 20 times). And all one needs to define if some event is “signed” or not is to present the strong indication of a pattern. It’s not enough to put someone behind bars, but it’s enough to know in what direction to look.

  24. Mr Greenhalgh great article, about your scepticism about numbers, codes, dates, numerology stuff, I also dont believe in some magic power of this encoding, but the question is are there people using this stuff in their work organizations rituals or belief system. And masons illuminati statanists which operate and have common members in the intelligence services are using this numerology tools, stuff, rituals we may call them many contemporary false flags bear some numerology markings and the using of numerology by some secret and occult societies is well known fact so some numerology connection seems natural to me in the case. But I dont claim I can interpret this numbers or that someones interpretation is true or false. So my point is even if I dont believ in the power and application of numerology it is widely known that organizations that are probably complicit with this false flag use numerology in their rituals and operation.

  25. KEEPING IT IN THE FAMILY

    “BANGKOK – It is by no mere coincidence, when telltale evidence of a Mossad role in the MH370 hijack was starting to snowball, that Israel’s embassies and consulates were suddenly shut down due to a “strike by diplomatic staff”. This fork-tongued alibi was obviously meant to prevent law enforcement agencies across Asia and the Western world from questioning Israeli intelligence agents and military attaches about the whereabouts and fate of the hundreds of passengers.”

    Introductory paragraph by Yoichi Shimatsu in Rense.com article headlined “Role Of Israel & Soros Exposed By MH370 Twin Jet In Tel Aviv” dated March 27, 2014 – just a mere 15 weeks before Malaysian Airlines MH17 was sent tumbling out of the sky over Ukraine. Ian may refute the Soros ties to Israel in general but ‘Pretty Boy’ had personal reasons to put the boot into Malaysia – enough maybe to align himself to Mossad/Israel for a once-off. A fascinating read: http://www.rense.com/general96/role.html

  26. Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta: Just out of curiosity, how much out of “too much relevant & significant evidence available for anyone” you’ve been able to analyze, say, in the last few years ? And how many do you think, out of 1,000,000 random people not belonging to any secret societies, have ever heard about the word “gematria”, let alone tried to analyze some event by using it ?

  27. Mr. Greenhalgh if you want to accuse your enemy with the crimes you commited you would imitate their style and believe system. Maybe that is the reason for this numerology nonsense. We know that many Joos are innocent and held hostage by the real thugs who are behind this atrocities. But if such things poke you in the eye you just can´t ignore it.

  28. @Alex_B : knowing what said Christine Lagarde, IMF Director, for 10 minutes about the magic of number 7, in front of a big audience of NWO agents, it does make sense.

    @Ian Greenhalgh : this numerology stuff is pure nonsense … for a normally working mind, but for people believing in ‘crazy stuff’, i.e. talmudic stuff, it’s just fine … sadly.

  29. Getting 2 mysteries out of 1 is unique, even for the crazies who bring us a false flag weekly. That said. If this, and I am not saying it isn’t, is true… just maybe the earth is flat.
    Someone said; “when everything they believe is a lie…”

    • “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
      – William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)

    • Who provided the “scientific” data, images and narrative to prove/justify the globe theory? Was it NASA? SATAN without the “T”? Saturn is the 6th planet from the Sun (of God). NASA loves Saturn imagery in their promotional material. So does Disney. Disney loves CGI. So does NASA. What do Tesla think of all this tom foolery. Those whacky “space explorers”. Sending an electric car into space like that, while millions of precious humans starve to death. Elon Musk was so adamant – it’s so real it actually looks fake…….

  30. If relatives of MH370 missing can identify relatives among videos or photos of victims of MH17 site in Unraine – game on. Otherwise, task of Sisyphus.

    • If relatives of MH370 missing can identify relatives among videos or photos of victims of MH17 site in Unraine the mobsters joo’s and his murder mossad inc. will take care of silence them with a shoot in the head…

  31. As crazy as it sounds…early reports from the crash site mentioned corpses….the plane was carrying predead?…I forget the reason given, however at the time it struck an odd chord.. the imagination of a normal man could not design this. 1 body or 2 on a commercial flight, ok. The number suggested didn’t make sense. If true this is as close to human reanimation, or zombification that the Zionist quacks can get. Right now.

  32. Nice to see that the WW2 gold held in New York, for security, has been returned to the Netherlands after the report on MH17 was made public!So where did those those 30MM shell holes in the cockpit fuselage come from?

  33. Khalid & Ian: You both make sense (based on evidence). I was ‘there.’ Trust me. 😉

    Russia either used what Russia has for other purposes — or Russia is ‘saving it.’

    Khalid, although you summarize good proof, it’s NOT inconsistent with “MH17 = MH370.”

    Ian, although you summarize good proof, it’s NOT inconsistent with MH370 being substituted for MH17 — AFTER an Amsterdam take-off. My recollection is: DNA/forensics were >later< enough to ID bodies in Netherlands, Malaysia, etc.

  34. I am dutch and my mother in Law is a nurse in the Donbass area, most of the travellers were asian and holland has a huge population of asian immigrants and due to holiday season went of to their mother land.
    Due to my parents in law i know all the facts which happened in Donbass, but they have been shut of by all media since they are the only ones who know the truth and until this moment today they are shot and bombed at, but hey theses people do not exist for the western world, they have no voice or right to live, they have done everything to reach the world when a plane fell out of the sky and nobody was missing it when for 3 days nobody had come to look at the wreck, where bodies were decomposing in the sun, more then 35’c in an open field.
    The dutch investigation team was held up in kiev due to russian rebels which did not grant permission to come to the wreck, as they told..
    But in reality there were no real russian rebels but locals which didnt know what to do and only saw ukrainian ‘investigators’ cleaning up the mess they have created, nobody in that area thinsk or doubts even what has happened, but they are not to be heard, it is the media which speculated and destroys reality

    • boris111 you just forgot the formalin and the missing blood and many other details and only your relatives knew the truth yeah nobody else in the whole big world.

    • There was a German independent investigator/journalist who got to the site the day after, videoed himself there and verified that the Donbass soldiers did not prevent anyone from reaching the site.

  35. Alex & Trakkath: Too much relevant & significant evidence available (but not collected or analyzed) for anyone to be saying that numerology is key to solving the puzzle. Is that OK with you? 😉

  36. Eduardo: Most that you say is correct. Ian says ‘NO MH17 take-off from Amsterdam.’ But I recall DNA & forensic tests in Netherlands/Malaysia to ID bodies — contemporaneously. I was ‘there.’

    What’s most striking in Ian’s article is the LiveLeaks video & +/-5,000 crash site pics. Asian bodies, blue lips, and a passport photo & name. All can be verified to be MH370 or MH17.

  37. This could be award winning Ian – if it wasn’t such a horrific, evil outcome. You know my house hold is Russian so I have had the video translated for me , however many russian laboratory words are similar. Formaldehyde is a close one as is Passports in everyday words. The place stunk like Form. and the bodies were old – winter clothing in the luggage, passports all neatly found close to one another as were the bodies as if they were all sitting in one area only.All Asian and only blood with the newer corpses were killed.Another thing not in your article was the first responders at the site were from Donetsk and they also were the investigators when the flight from Krasnodar to St. Petersburg went down 8 years earlier. They were thrown off the site and replaced by Kyiv ” so called” investigators then the Ukraine army started to mortar the area around the crashsite – surprise ! My computer is been hacked so …. The first investigators asked for a copy of the autopsy of the pilot and crew – but there was never a report from the Dutch – 9-11 isn’t alone!

  38. Ian: Well done. Although very skeptical about the “MH17 = MH370” hypothesis, the newly-available Ukrainian video (from LiveLeak) — analyzing +/-5,000 ‘MH17’ crash site pics — sealed the deal.

    Having worked with Malay NOC intel/Biz guys & others on MH370 & MH17, it’s safe to say that your hypotheses are not completely incongruent with those with the evidence and those with whom I worked.

    More congruent is this: “Media Control and a Rigged Report, MH17” at http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/13/media-control-and-a-rigged-report-mh17 (“Kiev shot MH17 down and the Dutch, part of the NATO gang responsible, are part of the problem and fully culpable for the crime as predicted”) — by Gordon P. Duff in 2015.

    We presented a proposal for Malay-controlled MH17/MH370 investigations to the Malay PM, but he was ‘compromised’ by US+. Malaysia is still controlled by Rotten-Childs — allowing NO independence.

    MH17 or ‘MH370 as MH17’ was probably shot down by a Romania-based MiG-29 (‘radar-spoofed’ as a Ukrainian MiG-25) with an air-to-air rocket — certainly no BUK. An Azerbaijan-based, AWACS-type, Israeli F-15E probably flew target support. Dutch, U.S. & NATO were involved in the cover-up.

    NATO & Ukraine cut Malaysia out of ‘independent’ investigations. The Malay PM — too — did not want an independent investigation… Although more may be coming, I get sick writing about this stuff.

  39. This could be award winning Ian – if it wasn’t such a horrific, evil outcome. You know my house hold is Russian so I have had the video translated for me , however many russian laboratory words are similar. Formaldehyde is a close one as is Passports in everyday words. The place stunk like Form. and the bodies were old – winter clothing in the luggage, passports all neatly found close to one another as were the bodies as if they were all sitting in one area only.All Asian and only blood with the newer corpses were killed.Another thing not in your article was the first responders at the site were from Donetsk and they also were the investigators when the flight from Krasnodar to St. Petersburg went down 8 years earlier. They were thrown off the site and replaced by Kyiv ” so called” investigators then the Ukraine army started to mortar the area around the crashsite – surprise ! My computer is been hacked so …. The first investigators asked for a copy of the autopsy of the pilot and crew – but there was never a report from the Dutch – 9-11 isn’t alone

  40. I don’t feel like I have any desire or need to defend my position against something as groundless as “this is just nonsense”. Especially when I’m pretty sure by what it’s all caused. Sorry I can’t help you here. Neither I’m the best person to talk about ”flat earth” – another “brilliant” discovery of the adepts of the “wounded knee”. So long.

    • Look, the people in the intelligence community who plan and carry out operations like MH17 and MH370, or 9-11 or any one of a myriad other false flag events are not using some mystical numbers to schedule anything, they would laugh heartily at it as nothing but nonsense from the minds of conspiracy nutcases.

  41. Mr. Greenhalgh: Where did you see “atomic” number in my comment ? Each element in addition to atomic number has its unique order number. The word “unique” is critical here, because in numerology you’re talking about number “213”=2+1+3=6 and “411”=4+1+1=6, etc. There’s no ambiguity in calculations I post. I have all the rights to replace “A” with “1”, “B” with “2”, etc. without creating any ambiguity. The rest is based on the math as it taught in all normal schools, (i.e., a pure science). Same goes to calculating probabilities of certain combinations of numbers (patterns) to appear in results. The math is not Abu-Ghraib (using analogy that Iranian president once used on U.S. correspondent) and to judge about its application one has to have a bit more that “because I said so”.

    • I’m sorry, but this is just nonsense, akin to believing the earth is flat.

  42. from reports of another airline disaster, years ago. The fuselage cracked open at cruising altitude. bodies were frozen solid in seconds. When rescuer workers arrived at the crash scene the bodies were still ice cubes

    • That sounds more like a false flag where the bodies are pre-frozen. For human body to freeze to an ice0cube it takes a bit more than a few minute fall through the air.

  43. Trakkath: You’re absolutely correct. Talking about conspiracies (both present and past) while denying gigantic occult component of it is pitiful and is what making conspiracy nitwits live (let alone analyze !) with, what can’t be called better than Stanley Kubrick did, “Eyes wide shut!”. But there’s a reason for everything. And I’m pretty sure I know what it is in this case.

  44. I’m sorry, but this is not numerology. And I don’t know how to explain it to someone who doesn’t understand what “unique key” is or what methods can be applied to a set of elements with unique weights. It like saying that operating with periodic table of chemical elements where each element has its unique number is nonsense.

    • Please don’t insult my intelligence by trying to equate this number nonsense with hard scientific fact like atomic numbers and the periodic table.

  45. Mr. Greenhalgh, what you call nonense makes much sense for those who follow this BS like hidden codes in the bible, tree of Kabbalah and Tabula Smaragdina. It is their “religion” of numerology, which they follow. We can only state what they are doing by looking for the evidence on it. Some also call God or satan nonsense but those who believe in it and follow them it is reality, if we like it or not.

  46. I thought the whole time where the evidence of this decomposed bodies had vanished, but thanks to Mr. Greenhalgh, you stay on the course to get it out. All the time I searched for any hint about this strange event but found nothing but old messages.

    • Btw the missing of fresh blood pits and spots of blood are a clear indicator of something is wrong with this.Blood would spltter all over the wreckage parts if they were alive during the crash on the ground. Smash fresh flesh to a wall or ground and see what happens.

    • There is enough material for a DNA-analysis with living relatives to find out very fast who those passengers were and truh would come out at the blink of an eye.

    • Haha the bodies are taken to Netherlands three years ago and nothing like that was announced by investigators, what makes you think that someone in Netherland will anounce the truth today in a blink of an eye? Haha

    • Trakkath: DNA analysis is valid only if the chain of evidence is intact and independently verified. All manner of tricks can be employed.

  47. I’m sorry, but I am pretty sure all this numerology stuff is pure nonsense, at the very most, it is just another red herring to keep the conspiracy nitwits busy.

  48. 1. No fabrication necessary, they simply flew MH370 over Ukraine by remote control then shot it down.
    2. Malaysia was coerced and pressured to fall into line. As for Russia, I don’t know, maybe they chose to use the evidence as leverage?
    3. It is possible to take over control of any airliner with little more than a laptop. I expect they took over MH370 mid-flight and killed the passengers and crew either by depressurisation or by pumping something toxic into the cabin. They then flew the plane to Diego Garcia. I expect it was then flown on to somewhere else, possibly one of the secret US-Israeli airbases in Azerbaijan. There were no planes on 9-11, the WTC towers were most likely struck by cruise missiles, we know the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile.

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