Revisited: MH17 was really MH370


[Editor’s note: This article was originally published July 17th, 2017 but it is now more relevant and important than ever, given the recent re-igniting of the MH17 narrative with the continued attempts to blame Russia.

I can quickly summarise the whole fiasco – there was no Buk missile, there was no Russian foreknowledge, the entire official narrative is false.

What really happened was that the aircraft that disappeared a year earlier during Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 was brought out of hiding, still containing it’s Asian passengers and crew, then flown by remote over the conflict zone in Eastern Ukraine to be shot down by a fighter aircraft – probably an Israeli F-15 operating out of Azerbaijan.

From the moment the first bodies hit the ground, Russia was blamed, tales of Buk missile launchers being seen nearby were concocted, the whole thing was leveraged as par of the ongoing demonisation of Russia. Ian]

WARNING: The video above contains many horrifically graphic images of decomposing and smashed corpses, do not watch if you are at all squeamish.

It is three years since a plane crashed into a field in Ukraine, a plane that the world’s co-opted and controlled media claimed was Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 from Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam.

I am now confident in stating that there never was a flight MH17 from Schiphol, that the whole story is a great stinking pile of bovine fecal matter and the truth is so shocking and disturbing that few outside the online conspiracy folks have dared to even consider it could be true.

The plane that crashed in Ukraine was, in fact, Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 that had disappeared months earlier. The plane was full of corpses – the passengers of MH370, murdered and their bodies preserved with chemicals.

Forget any of the media coverage, it is all lies and distractions, instead, go directly to the primary source – the Ukrainian people who were there on the ground and witnessed exactly what fell from the sky and ended up spread across the landscape.

The video at the top of this article reveals the truth in graphic detail, after viewing it, you will be left in no doubt that this was indeed MH370, complete with it’s cargo of decomposing Asian corpses. In case anything happens to the youtube version, you can also find this video at Liveleak.

Here is the accompanying text:

Narrator in possession of over 5000 pictures from Mh17 crash site point out numerous strange anomalies associated with the victims from MH-17.

1) Glowing fluorescent dye near 1st body
2) Strong smell of formaldehyde in air
3) Absence of blood on and around corpses
4) Bloated damp corpses
5) Victims not European looking- she states that most looked Asian
6) Strange dead birds, including a blue and yellow Macaw that is, ironically, the same color as the Ukrainian flag at the 3:10 mark. This is a tropical bird which makes one wonder why it was flying on a plane from Amsterdam to Southeast Asia. Normally, one would expect that such an occurrence may take place the other way round.
7) She states that the cell phone data had no 2014 photos, only photos from 2013.
8) Bluish/black lips on victims
9) She states the passports were all brand new and unused

The British tabloid rag The Daily Star, owned by Zionist Jewish pornographer Richard Desmond has labelled any notion that the official story is not true and that the corpses were stale as ‘outlandish conspiracy theories’, which should be taken as another confirmation that the Zionist criminals are keen to cover up their atrocious mass murder.

‘They were dead BEFORE it crashed’ Shock claim about doomed flight MH17

As we can see from the Sputnik article below, the US is deeply involved in the cover-up and along with Israel, is no doubt behind the whole MH370-MH17 saga.

What I wonder is why have the Russians and Malaysians not exposed this entire farce for the sick and disgusting fairytale it really is. The Russians must have all of the evidence needed to do so as they had days to examine the crash site and they must know at least as much as the locals in Donbass, which is plenty to be able to expose the whole thing.

US Urges Nations to Cooperate on Joint Investigation Team’s MH17 Crash Probe

On July 17, 2014, Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 was shot down by a missile in eastern Ukraine while flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. All 298 passengers and crew aboard the aircraft died in the incident.

“The United States will continue to support the efforts of the Joint Investigation Team and urges other states to cooperate fully in order to ensure those responsible are brought to justice,” Nauert stated. “As we and the Joint Investigation Team have said, Russian-led forces in eastern Ukraine fired the surface-to-air BUK missile — brought into sovereign Ukrainian territory from Russia — that took down flight MH17.”

Earlier in July, Amsterdam said the trial in the case of the MH17 crash would be held in the Netherlands. Ukraine and the Netherlands are planning on July 7 to sign an agreement on international legal cooperation that will entitle the Dutch side to hold trial, according to the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.

“We welcome the team’s recent decision to grant jurisdiction to the Dutch courts for the prosecution of those responsible for this tragedy,” Nauert added. “We have full confidence in the ability of the Dutch criminal justice system to conduct a prosecution that is comprehensive, objective and just.”

The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) tasked with probing the crash announced in September that the MH17 airliner was allegedly downed by a Buk missile system, which was brought from Russia and after the crash returned there. However, Russia’s Almaz-Antey concern rejected findings in the probe, saying that three simulations showed that the missile was launched from the Zaroshchens’ke area, controlled by Ukraine’s army at the time of the downing.





  1. “What I wonder is why have the Russians and Malaysians not exposed this entire farce for the sick and disgusting fairytale it really is.” Yes. An element of answer is that the Russians and the Malaysians have not exposed any farce about the Twin Towers’ destruction. Could there be some common motivation behind these two non-exposures?


  2. Ian Greenhalgh gives you everything you need in this thread to understand what VT is all about.

    Us the people are waking up and the deception is becoming ever more apparent. The need to defend Russia and not link them into the network of criminals who have manufactured the reality we are living in is beyond telling.

  3. The postulation that MH17=MH370 is intriguing but fials to answer obvious queries., such as, if the passengers in Ukraine were ex-MH17, then what happened to all the passengers that boarded in Amsterdam?

    Could the absence of blood from the corpses be explained by the sudden depressurization at 30,000ft? At the moment of depressurizaton the passengers will all “bleed out” from a body pressure of 13psia to roughly 3psia, leaving little blood in the body cavity. Meanwhile, air is rushing through the damaged cabin at high speed, causing over a thousand liters of passenger blood to enter the air, possibly as a fine mist. Although the cabin air temperature had dropped to minus 30 degrees, it takes over 20 minutes to freeze a warm human body. So the bodies were not frozen when they hit the ground. As to why most were naked is indeed a mystery.

    In other words, the Live Leak video doesn’t prove that MH17=MH370. The Liveleak Commenter JoeyCz points out a few more issues:

    JoeyCz (967.30) Apr-16-2015
    Interesting, but what I see is:

    1) Glowing fluorescent dye near 1st body
    Cant see much, but have you seen your car radiator fluid or brake fluid?
    Can be some technical fluid.

    2) Strong smell of formaldehyde in air
    I dont know who she is and how could she recognize smell of burned bodies, plastic and jet fuel from what she is saying.

    3) Absence of blood on and around corpses

  4. The sick F-cks that planned and implemented these events let you know for sure that they will have no problem killing everything and anything that thwarts their evil agenda. Women, children, Navy Seals, they don’t care whom they murder. They’re not exactly humanity at its’ finest; more like soulless sub-humans.

  5. Whenever I read anything about a flight originating out of Schipol, I cringe. They say nothing rhymes with “orange”.
    Speaking of cringe worthy thoughts, Mossad, Ben Shlt security company, ICTS operates from there. That’s their snake pit. The flights taking off from Logan Airport on 9/11 had their security contracted with . . . ICTS. So either this “airport security company” can’t do their contracted job worth shlt . . . or . . . they were up to their eyes in alligators, totally involved. Planes didn’t hit the WTC, it was CGI’d for the masses, it was a controlled bltch slap. But flights did take off from Logan . . . all under the “watchful” snake eyes.
    The Dutch monarchs are street rat cra cra . . . and as a small nation, they sure have had their hands bloodied since William STFU “founded” the house of orange. Schmeckle suckers . . .
    Google: When did jews marry into the House of Orange.
    Right ’round the time with William “The Silent” was erected into his King Hood. They’ve been infested and pedophilia is found all over their island playgrounds . . . Aruba for one.
    And then there was Natalee Hollowell, murdered by the Van Der Sloot boy, allegedly.
    The House of Blood Orange.
    Dang Ian . . . you knocked this one out of the park!
    This is a double feature to Gordon’s “blockbuster” published a few days ago:
    Comments are compelling. Great read.

  6. Before MH370 affair, was conveniently been builded an new hangar with the size to hide a Boeing 777 airplane in Diego Garcia island USAF Base, the fuel of MH370 was enough to until reach that place, the US government always refused show radar data of this base that he had showed the flight over Indian Ocean when the transponder was shut off. About the pilot of the plane was found it at your house in his flight simulator program he did have programed 4 airstrips for practice and one of thos was Diego Garcia, why ??? Also after a week of disappearance we have the strange case of the Philip Wood text message, who was at that time a IBM engineer, and that was a passenger of that flight, a message where he said the flight was kidnapped by unknown military personal and he can hide his iphone in his ass before his eyes was blindfolded….. Some loose threads around this affair.

  7. Dear Sir,s, with interest I read all yours comments about MH-17. But I believe we are done with this launch of the aircraft.astray. I have same questions to you. In the passenger-list I find only 298 named male or female, I don’t found any Education which they had? that will very important in the case.Remember the Crime was in the time where the Ebola were on the high point on the Ebola with 11000 peopel die. In Sierra Leone there was a bio war lab ( Kenema ) the virus were out f control just bey fake.I found three top researcher in the passengers list.
    Glenn Thomas was an AIDS and Ebola giant also the WHO media officer and coordinator investigating a US biologicial weapens lab in Kenema. Also Joep Lange a former Aids Researchers and president of international AIDS socciety ( IAS ) with his wife Jacqueline van Tongeren from Amsterdamer Institute for Global Health and Development. Bey the way, just in the time was a Nato Maneuver with Name BREEZE,
    We must ask the Nato,they know it the Ukraine was under total Radarkontrolle.AWACS and BOEING. There we get the answer in this Crime.On the plane MH-17 were some more Experts about Ebola on way to a Ebola conference in Australia, I have seen it, My deep sympathy for murdered relatives. a
    German with greetings all of you.

    • WOW Werner . . . you mentioned some interesting concepts.
      I’ve commented about the Ebola “skunk work” labs before. Your comment reminded me . . . of the DE BEERS connection.
      The Blood (Orange) Diamonds . . . De Beers, the Dutch company, is in . . . . . . . . drum roll please . . . . . . Sierra Leone.
      With the western lowland Gorillas in their way, the had to do something, no? Can’t mine for Blood (Orange) Diamonds if there are gorillas in the midst. They love them two-fer deals . . . create a disease . . . then find the cure.
      Gorilla’s share genomes with human DNA . . . oh yes they do. And very high percentages too. So why not experiment on these animals? When that “evidence” was published within the past couple of decades, the evil monkeys (aka, knuckle dragging zion’tists) saw this as yet another “mine” to exploit. Create the human disease . . . but more importantly . . . have the cure in their med’sin chest, all the ready to be sold.
      Hegel would be so proud! The Hegelian dialect “problem-reaction-solution.”
      And in the process . . . over 95% of the Western Lowland Gorillas were murdered by the “Ebola” virus. They were being used as “guinea pigs” for the all important “vaccine.” And De Beers got to expand their blood (orange) diamond empire into MORE Sierra Leone protected lands. When miners didn’t want to work for these De Boars swine, they created a civil war, or infected them with Ebola.
      Another Hegel dictum ditty:”the rational alone is real”

  8. Ian, Dr Abu Bakar: I’ve held this view that MH17 = MH370 from the very beginning. Assuming they replaced the majority of victims (total 298) for the MH17 job from the MH370 casualty list (283), how do you account for Malaysian MH17 victims list and their NOK ? They’re all crisis actors? I have trouble with acccounting that.

  9. “… why have the Russians and Malaysians not exposed this entire farce for the sick and disgusting fairytale it really is. ”
    I will venture a guess regarding Malaysians. Here it is,

    “The Russians must have all of the evidence needed to do so as they had days to examine the crash site and they must know at least as much as the locals in Donbass, which is plenty to be able to expose the whole thing.”
    This is a puzzle. They must have high resolution photos of the bodies and for sure samples of bodies and the strange fluids.

    The lady in the video says that there was a greenish fluid around the bodies seen on the road and NOT blood. The smell was extremely strong. The smell was so strong next the fuselage show in the photo that one could not stand there. It seemed that the fuselage was saturated with whatever was giving off the strong chemical smell. It was a smell one would encounter in a morgue. One reporter who had experience with two previous air crashes stated that in the area of the crash one would find an ocean of blood. At this site there was none. Then the suitcases had winter clothing and this is all happening in the Summer. Apparently the media in the West was saying that there was a lot of children on the flight. Well the lady after looking at all the bodies she encountered only saw about 6.

    Lady speaking says she was there within 20 min. of the crash

  10. My relatives are living between the enemies, the only reason they still live is because they support the enemy with medical help.
    Daily conversations between them make me fully aware what is going on there.
    The Ukrainian army is shooting and provocing russia every day, the civilian war is not civilian, it has nothing to do with the local people, in fact most of the refugees from Donetsk live in Kiev now!
    The Urainian army is not a Ukrainian real army, it contains of young lower-class boys who do not have any future perspective in their live, who come from villages in the Western areas, they are drunk every day and night, getting traines by the NATO forces, but lack of any more motivation then to just send a monthly paycheck to their home, they miss the balls and motivation, thats why the conflict is stale-mate since 3 years.
    Also to mention what people dont know, this Ukrainian army i am talking about is maybe 30% real governmental army (as i just mentioned) and the rest are hired forces, mercinaries, they are from the private armies of the jewish olichargs which try to get more power in Ukraine, they have more money then the government and they are another government inside a government, they do their own thing and giving Porkey a hard time to keep himself in power.

    • So, what you’re saying @boris111 is that Israhell, once again, has created another ISIS . . . this time their white version?
      Sitting up their little fires all around the world – What you’re saying makes a lot of sense. They hire people and when the rabble-rousers come to town, there goes the neighborhood.
      The Ukrainians, in my observation, are still grinding the ax since Stalin’s Holodomor.
      Once again, that narrative is played out . . . two sides against the other, and they are controlled by the very sick Babylonian/Talmudist/Khazar/Bolshevik/Zionists.
      The Russians did go into the Ukraine under Stalin. Why they believed them fighting words spewing out of his borscht hole is beyond me. But, there you have the current set up . . . two sides pitted against themselves, all the while, the real affect is to chap the hide of Putin. He has to deal with this little fire, and it was ignited by the Molotov Cocktail that was brewed up by Mossad.

    • “they are from the private armies of the jewish olichargs which try to get more power in Ukraine”

      Harretz Israeli media published an article on Feb 28th 2014, confirming the cooperation between Israel and the Nazi svoboda party? According to the article, A former IDF soldier known only as “delta” leads a group called the blue helmets of Maidan and wears a kippah under his helmet. He has headed a force of 40 men and women, including several fellow IDF veterans. Delta, is an Orthodox Jew in his late 30’s and prays at Azman’s Brodsky synagogue. Delta says he takes orders from Svoboda. He says, “they know I’m Jewish and an ex-IDF soldier. They call me brother.” He says fellow Jews have criticized him for working with Svoboda. He said, “some asked me if instead of Shalom, they should greet me with Sieg Heil.”

  11. And another thing, my relatives live in a small village inside the bufferzone, they see ukrainian tanks entering their town and shooting towards the ‘russian’ area, where they have no real targets, just shooting randomly, not knowing where the bombs will fall, no firing back from the ‘russian’ area because hey they would violate the minsk agreement isnt it!!! But the ukrainians bombing every day until today!!
    No media coverage, nothing, the ‘russian’ people of donbass dont exist.
    For them the MH-17 has not any meaning anymore, they know what happened (on the scene) but since then they are trying to survive.
    No russian troops on the Donetsk side, only volanteers.
    One more thing, they say Russian agression, the Ukrainiana need to save the people in Donbass…. really? Then why you never hear about humanitarian aid for these people, no food, medications, no support from the western world, they are left alone and getting bombed, the only one helping them is russia, but cannot do more then just support with food and water because they being watched on with a micoscope..

    • Right, Boris111. MH-17 was a false flag against Russia. In this case – always look who has the profit. Immediately after the plane crash ALL western media like a barking dogs in the chorus blamed Russia and their investigation was done so quickly. Mr. Sherlock Holmes would die from professional envy….

  12. Re: Black lips – as mentioned by Ian.
    I ran the video once again, this time listening very carefully to find out where the commentator
    mentions “black lips”. When I came to 5:00 I could clearly hear her say what with english letters
    sounded something like
    « tchorne gube »
    Well, the subtitle at 5:00-5:01 says
    « чиновник черные куб », which Google translates as
    “official black cube”. But since the subtitles are generated automatically, I think the “к” is a mis=
    =reading for a “г”. Thus, when I replace the “к” with a “г” the corrected subtitle becomes
    « чиновник черные губ » which Google then translates as “official black lip”.
    This reading also matches the photo shown of a black-lipped dead person.

    Well, we all know that coagulated blood turns black and blue after a while.
    In this case a forensic expert might be able to say what this could mean in terms of time and causes.


    “BANGKOK – It is by no mere coincidence, when telltale evidence of a Mossad role in the MH370 hijack was starting to snowball, that Israel’s embassies and consulates were suddenly shut down due to a “strike by diplomatic staff”. This fork-tongued alibi was obviously meant to prevent law enforcement agencies across Asia and the Western world from questioning Israeli intelligence agents and military attaches about the whereabouts and fate of the hundreds of passengers.”

    Introductory paragraph by Yoichi Shimatsu in article headlined “Role Of Israel & Soros Exposed By MH370 Twin Jet In Tel Aviv” dated March 27, 2014 – just a mere 15 weeks before Malaysian Airlines MH17 was sent tumbling out of the sky over Ukraine. Ian may refute the Soros ties to Israel in general but ‘Pretty Boy’ had personal reasons to put the boot into Malaysia – enough maybe to align himself to Mossad/Israel for a once-off. A fascinating read:

    • An interesting Autor ! I read the first article you quoted.
      I also found that here there are 2 articles with “MH17” in the title and 5 with “370”. But reading another article by this author, about radioactivity and cosmic rays, I noted that he repeatedly writes that gamma rays are made up of protons. Well, that is wrong by merely a letter, and the error is easily corrected by replacing “proton” by “photon”. Nevertheless, on the physical level the difference between photons and protons is a big one : Boson vs. Fermion, massive vs. massless, neutral vs. charged, etc. So on a purely scientific level : be careful. He also wrote many other things that I cannot immediately verify, since I do not have the required detailed knowledge of atmospheric physics, But all in all, a writer of serious intent, no doubt widely read and very engaging. But who touches on too many subjects where it would be nearly impossible for a single person to know them all.

  14. Getting 2 mysteries out of 1 is unique, even for the crazies who bring us a false flag weekly. That said. If this, and I am not saying it isn’t, is true… just maybe the earth is flat.
    Someone said; “when everything they believe is a lie…”

    • “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
      – William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)

    • Who provided the “scientific” data, images and narrative to prove/justify the globe theory? Was it NASA? SATAN without the “T”? Saturn is the 6th planet from the Sun (of God). NASA loves Saturn imagery in their promotional material. So does Disney. Disney loves CGI. So does NASA. What do Tesla think of all this tom foolery. Those whacky “space explorers”. Sending an electric car into space like that, while millions of precious humans starve to death. Elon Musk was so adamant – it’s so real it actually looks fake…….

  15. If relatives of MH370 missing can identify relatives among videos or photos of victims of MH17 site in Unraine – game on. Otherwise, task of Sisyphus.

    • If relatives of MH370 missing can identify relatives among videos or photos of victims of MH17 site in Unraine the mobsters joo’s and his murder mossad inc. will take care of silence them with a shoot in the head…

  16. From the «New Straits Times» August 7, 2014, by Haris Hussain :

    July 29 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation interview with Michael Bociurkiw, one of the first Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) investigators to arrive at the scene of the disaster, near Donetsk.

    ” Bociurkiw is a Ukrainian-Canadian monitor with OSCE who, along with another colleague, were the first international monitors to reach the wreckage after flight MH17 was brought down over eastern Ukraine. ”
    . . .

    • cont . . .
      ” In the CBC interview, the reporter in the video preceded it with: “The wreckage was still smouldering when a small team from the OSCE got there. No other officials arrived for days”.

      “There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pockmarked with what almost looks like machinegun fire; very, very strong machinegun fire,” Bociurkiw said in the interview.

      Parry had said that Bociurkiw’s testimony is “as close to virgin, untouched evidence and testimony as we’ll ever get. Unlike a black-box interpretation-analysis long afterward by the Russian, British or Ukrainian governments, each of which has a horse in this race, this testimony from Bociurkiw is raw, independent and comes from one of the two earliest witnesses to the physical evidence.

      “That’s powerfully authoritative testimony. Bociurkiw arrived there fast because he negotiated with the locals for the rest of the OSCE team, who were organising to come later,” Parry had said.

      Retired Lufthansa pilot Peter Haisenko had also weighed in on the new shootdown theory with Parry and pointed to the entry and exit holes centred around the cockpit. “

    • There are more than 40 videos with Canadian Michael Bociurkiw (OSCE) on u-tube.
      Here someone from Holland has uploaded the essential part of the interview :

      ” Op 29 juli 2014 verscheen dit interview met OSCE woordvoerder Michael Bociurkiw over zijn bevindingen van vlucht MH17. Geen woord in ”onze media” die binnenkort, net als de VS tot damage control over gaan om hun eigen hagje te reden. “

    • The New Straits Times article ‘kaho’ raises the (CIA/Mossad) scenario. I sincerely doubt that either Ukrainian or Russian fighter pilots would have downed the plane (MH17) because in plain view it was a passenger flight with clear Malaysian Airlines markings. Only a ghoul or satanic entity would murder over 220 innocent civilians – the same ghouls and satanic entities who perpetrated 9/11. It’s Kristol clear somebody wanted the plane destroyed. I’d begin by knocking on Noodles ‘Nuland’s’ front door.

    • US-First, the Russian fighter pilots couldn’t do this. The flights are registered. It would be a straight point to be accused. Pure evidence. Tell you as a son of a dad – MIG-25 interceptor USSR pilot.

  17. As crazy as it sounds…early reports from the crash site mentioned corpses….the plane was carrying predead?…I forget the reason given, however at the time it struck an odd chord.. the imagination of a normal man could not design this. 1 body or 2 on a commercial flight, ok. The number suggested didn’t make sense. If true this is as close to human reanimation, or zombification that the Zionist quacks can get. Right now.

  18. Nice to see that the WW2 gold held in New York, for security, has been returned to the Netherlands after the report on MH17 was made public!So where did those those 30MM shell holes in the cockpit fuselage come from?

  19. Let’s start at the beginning ; did the plane leave ? What was the number of the plane ? Any photos ? Satellite images available (Russian and US) ? …..

    • US satellites in this situation were blind. Psaki said they have the proof – it is in the youtube. Very strange blind evidence. Though we all know in Russia, that USA has the best and the largest satellite group in the orbit. But “suddenly” ….. there were no evident proof. Spy-sats were on dinner in McDonalds…..

    • Exactly Andrew but unfortunately the creators of “reality” for the West have different ideas.

  20. I am dutch and my mother in Law is a nurse in the Donbass area, most of the travellers were asian and holland has a huge population of asian immigrants and due to holiday season went of to their mother land.
    Due to my parents in law i know all the facts which happened in Donbass, but they have been shut of by all media since they are the only ones who know the truth and until this moment today they are shot and bombed at, but hey theses people do not exist for the western world, they have no voice or right to live, they have done everything to reach the world when a plane fell out of the sky and nobody was missing it when for 3 days nobody had come to look at the wreck, where bodies were decomposing in the sun, more then 35’c in an open field.
    The dutch investigation team was held up in kiev due to russian rebels which did not grant permission to come to the wreck, as they told..
    But in reality there were no real russian rebels but locals which didnt know what to do and only saw ukrainian ‘investigators’ cleaning up the mess they have created, nobody in that area thinsk or doubts even what has happened, but they are not to be heard, it is the media which speculated and destroys reality

    • boris111 you just forgot the formalin and the missing blood and many other details and only your relatives knew the truth yeah nobody else in the whole big world.

    • There was a German independent investigator/journalist who got to the site the day after, videoed himself there and verified that the Donbass soldiers did not prevent anyone from reaching the site.

  21. Everything is counted in letter and number. Many have dived down the rabbit hole of mixing those up. The Seven Arts of Ancient Man are, to the best of my recollection: Grammatica, Oratoria, Geometrica, Arithmetica, Gymnasia, Musica, Theologica. All the Kabbalistic nonsense of mixing those is nonsense.

  22. This could be award winning Ian – if it wasn’t such a horrific, evil outcome. You know my house hold is Russian so I have had the video translated for me , however many russian laboratory words are similar. Formaldehyde is a close one as is Passports in everyday words. The place stunk like Form. and the bodies were old – winter clothing in the luggage, passports all neatly found close to one another as were the bodies as if they were all sitting in one area only.All Asian and only blood with the newer corpses were killed.Another thing not in your article was the first responders at the site were from Donetsk and they also were the investigators when the flight from Krasnodar to St. Petersburg went down 8 years earlier. They were thrown off the site and replaced by Kyiv ” so called” investigators then the Ukraine army started to mortar the area around the crashsite – surprise ! My computer is been hacked so …. The first investigators asked for a copy of the autopsy of the pilot and crew – but there was never a report from the Dutch – 9-11 isn’t alone!

    • Saying 9/11 was a dry run for MH17/MH370 may be strange, but Ian & you may be correct.

    • Hello Andrew, Dr. Abu and Kaho. This downing of a commercial airliner{s} is a dastardly deed that needs to be revenged. The airliner downed in Ukraine could have have had a whole section of MH370 corpses easily stuck away in the plane . Alaska Airlines had 737s with a extra spot for cargo – partitioned off from the rest of the plane and most passengers never even thought about it. Somehow these two planes are related and somehow I think that the independent war crimes court in Indonesia that found Bush and Blair guilty is a payback. One of the prosecutors was a Univ. of Ill. Law department professor and of course he is on every ” No No list” that the government has. The Hague has been sitting on those papers for over 5 years now. So , Yes this is just another – In Your Face – 9-11 terrorist act using the same and more advanced techniques. Spacibo

  23. Ian: Well done. Although very skeptical about the “MH17 = MH370” hypothesis, the newly-available Ukrainian video (from LiveLeak) — analyzing +/-5,000 ‘MH17’ crash site pics — sealed the deal.

    Having worked with Malay NOC intel/Biz guys & others on MH370 & MH17, it’s safe to say that your hypotheses are not completely incongruent with those with the evidence and those with whom I worked.

    More congruent is this: “Media Control and a Rigged Report, MH17” at (“Kiev shot MH17 down and the Dutch, part of the NATO gang responsible, are part of the problem and fully culpable for the crime as predicted”) — by Gordon P. Duff in 2015.

    We presented a proposal for Malay-controlled MH17/MH370 investigations to the Malay PM, but he was ‘compromised’ by US+. Malaysia is still controlled by Rotten-Childs — allowing NO independence.

    MH17 or ‘MH370 as MH17’ was probably shot down by a Romania-based MiG-29 (‘radar-spoofed’ as a Ukrainian MiG-25) with an air-to-air rocket — certainly no BUK. An Azerbaijan-based, AWACS-type, Israeli F-15E probably flew target support. Dutch, U.S. & NATO were involved in the cover-up.

    NATO & Ukraine cut Malaysia out of ‘independent’ investigations. The Malay PM — too — did not want an independent investigation… Although more may be coming, I get sick writing about this stuff.

  24. This could be award winning Ian – if it wasn’t such a horrific, evil outcome. You know my house hold is Russian so I have had the video translated for me , however many russian laboratory words are similar. Formaldehyde is a close one as is Passports in everyday words. The place stunk like Form. and the bodies were old – winter clothing in the luggage, passports all neatly found close to one another as were the bodies as if they were all sitting in one area only.All Asian and only blood with the newer corpses were killed.Another thing not in your article was the first responders at the site were from Donetsk and they also were the investigators when the flight from Krasnodar to St. Petersburg went down 8 years earlier. They were thrown off the site and replaced by Kyiv ” so called” investigators then the Ukraine army started to mortar the area around the crashsite – surprise ! My computer is been hacked so …. The first investigators asked for a copy of the autopsy of the pilot and crew – but there was never a report from the Dutch – 9-11 isn’t alone

  25. What about the Dutch families who today (yesterday the 17th) remembered the day of the catastrophem three years ago, during a large gathering under the presence of the King and Queen of the Netherlands?

    Are you implying they are all “crisis actors”?
    ( like the”Nobody-died-at-Sandy-Hook” theory?)

    Anyway, I do recall reports that were broadcast just a few days after the crash, where it was noted that the corpses did not look fresh.

    Also, did you notice that the video has subtitles? (Press the little square lower right)
    The subtitles are Russian – but still, it would seem important to know exactly what the
    woman commenting the crash site photos is saying.
    ( Around 1:25 she mentions a word that sounds like “formalina”.
    The subtitle says босфором алина. But subtitles are often machine generated )

    Well, if you’ve ever been to an anatomy lab, you’ll know that this is a fluid used to preserve corpses.

  26. Many are aware that much stinks with MH 370/17. Above version to prepare MH370 to use as MH17 with Asian corpes on board still leaves all the passengers boarding an MH flight in Amsterdam after an MH 777 arrived empty??? at Schiphol Airport. Many local witnesses would have noticed this easily.
    To switch and prepare planes will work in Diego Garcia or any other secret military base though the boarding process in Amsterdam and/or switching planes in the crowded European Airspace will prove to be difficult with witnesses all over the place.
    The time frame from MH17’s Start in Amsterdam to the explosion in Ukraine (1hr) seems very short to either switch planes or prepare for the crash in Mid air. If the cargo was loaded with MH370 corpses when shot down aren’t there too many DNA samples that can prove the mix up mystery fairly easy. Very difficult to cover up. Guess we need to wait until one “neutral” 777 goes up in such a bang that nothing is left to be identified.

    • Eduardo: Most that you say is correct. Ian says ‘NO MH17 take-off from Amsterdam.’ But I recall DNA & forensic tests in Netherlands/Malaysia to ID bodies — contemporaneously. I was ‘there.’

      What’s most striking in Ian’s article is the LiveLeaks video & +/-5,000 crash site pics. Asian bodies, blue lips, and a passport photo & name. All can be verified to be MH370 or MH17.

    • MB: Yes. DNA tests in Netherlands do NOT prove that ‘MH17’ bodies came from MH17. ‘Chain of Custody’ questions remain for both getting the ‘passengers’ to the ‘MH17’ crash site AND for what happened with the bodies on the way from the ‘MH17’ crash site to the Netherlands. Hmmm…

  27. from reports of another airline disaster, years ago. The fuselage cracked open at cruising altitude. bodies were frozen solid in seconds. When rescuer workers arrived at the crash scene the bodies were still ice cubes

    • That sounds more like a false flag where the bodies are pre-frozen. For human body to freeze to an ice0cube it takes a bit more than a few minute fall through the air.

  28. I thought the whole time where the evidence of this decomposed bodies had vanished, but thanks to Mr. Greenhalgh, you stay on the course to get it out. All the time I searched for any hint about this strange event but found nothing but old messages.

    • Btw the missing of fresh blood pits and spots of blood are a clear indicator of something is wrong with this.Blood would spltter all over the wreckage parts if they were alive during the crash on the ground. Smash fresh flesh to a wall or ground and see what happens.

    • There is enough material for a DNA-analysis with living relatives to find out very fast who those passengers were and truh would come out at the blink of an eye.

    • Trakkath… their was splatering and pooling, not of blood, but a liquid that might be an embalming liquid. It is in the article.

    • Haha the bodies are taken to Netherlands three years ago and nothing like that was announced by investigators, what makes you think that someone in Netherland will anounce the truth today in a blink of an eye? Haha

    • Trakkath: DNA analysis is valid only if the chain of evidence is intact and independently verified. All manner of tricks can be employed.

  29. Combining this article with Jonas Alexis’ “Dumb and Dumber: CNN commentator …”. Perhaps before urging bombing and more sanctions against Russia that dumbbell needs to clarify for his audience who really shot Malaysian MH-17 (M+H=21=7+7+7) plane over Ukraine (crashed outside “Hrabove”=71/7) on 07.17.2014 (717+214=931 =1000-70+1 =7+77+777+77-7 =911+9+11), and by doing that created a perfect pretext for imposing sanctions on Russia 3 years ago. If he can persuade more than 10 people that “evil Russian militants” did all planning and calculations, including for “Malaysian passenger plane is shot down over Ukraine by Russian militants” =777/62=777/(70-1-7), then I’ll replace the word ‘dumbbell’ with “genius”. Even without explanations for many other points, one of which comes from the plane route: “Amsterdam Netherlands”+” Kuala-Lumpur Malaysia”=442/40= 11+11/(110+110). Who’d expect…

    • I’m sorry, but I am pretty sure all this numerology stuff is pure nonsense, at the very most, it is just another red herring to keep the conspiracy nitwits busy.

    • Mr. Greenhalgh, what you call nonense makes much sense for those who follow this BS like hidden codes in the bible, tree of Kabbalah and Tabula Smaragdina. It is their “religion” of numerology, which they follow. We can only state what they are doing by looking for the evidence on it. Some also call God or satan nonsense but those who believe in it and follow them it is reality, if we like it or not.

    • I’m sorry, but this is not numerology. And I don’t know how to explain it to someone who doesn’t understand what “unique key” is or what methods can be applied to a set of elements with unique weights. It like saying that operating with periodic table of chemical elements where each element has its unique number is nonsense.

    • Please don’t insult my intelligence by trying to equate this number nonsense with hard scientific fact like atomic numbers and the periodic table.

    • Trakkath: You’re absolutely correct. Talking about conspiracies (both present and past) while denying gigantic occult component of it is pitiful and is what making conspiracy nitwits live (let alone analyze !) with, what can’t be called better than Stanley Kubrick did, “Eyes wide shut!”. But there’s a reason for everything. And I’m pretty sure I know what it is in this case.

    • Mr. Greenhalgh: Where did you see “atomic” number in my comment ? Each element in addition to atomic number has its unique order number. The word “unique” is critical here, because in numerology you’re talking about number “213”=2+1+3=6 and “411”=4+1+1=6, etc. There’s no ambiguity in calculations I post. I have all the rights to replace “A” with “1”, “B” with “2”, etc. without creating any ambiguity. The rest is based on the math as it taught in all normal schools, (i.e., a pure science). Same goes to calculating probabilities of certain combinations of numbers (patterns) to appear in results. The math is not Abu-Ghraib (using analogy that Iranian president once used on U.S. correspondent) and to judge about its application one has to have a bit more that “because I said so”.

    • I’m sorry, but this is just nonsense, akin to believing the earth is flat.

    • I don’t feel like I have any desire or need to defend my position against something as groundless as “this is just nonsense”. Especially when I’m pretty sure by what it’s all caused. Sorry I can’t help you here. Neither I’m the best person to talk about ”flat earth” – another “brilliant” discovery of the adepts of the “wounded knee”. So long.

    • Look, the people in the intelligence community who plan and carry out operations like MH17 and MH370, or 9-11 or any one of a myriad other false flag events are not using some mystical numbers to schedule anything, they would laugh heartily at it as nothing but nonsense from the minds of conspiracy nutcases.

    • Alex & Trakkath: Too much relevant & significant evidence available (but not collected or analyzed) for anyone to be saying that numerology is key to solving the puzzle. Is that OK with you? 😉

    • @Alex_B : knowing what said Christine Lagarde, IMF Director, for 10 minutes about the magic of number 7, in front of a big audience of NWO agents, it does make sense.

      @Ian Greenhalgh : this numerology stuff is pure nonsense … for a normally working mind, but for people believing in ‘crazy stuff’, i.e. talmudic stuff, it’s just fine … sadly.

    • Mr. Greenhalgh if you want to accuse your enemy with the crimes you commited you would imitate their style and believe system. Maybe that is the reason for this numerology nonsense. We know that many Joos are innocent and held hostage by the real thugs who are behind this atrocities. But if such things poke you in the eye you just can´t ignore it.

    • Dr. Abu-Bakr Susta: Just out of curiosity, how much out of “too much relevant & significant evidence available for anyone” you’ve been able to analyze, say, in the last few years ? And how many do you think, out of 1,000,000 random people not belonging to any secret societies, have ever heard about the word “gematria”, let alone tried to analyze some event by using it ?

    • Mr Greenhalgh great article, about your scepticism about numbers, codes, dates, numerology stuff, I also dont believe in some magic power of this encoding, but the question is are there people using this stuff in their work organizations rituals or belief system. And masons illuminati statanists which operate and have common members in the intelligence services are using this numerology tools, stuff, rituals we may call them many contemporary false flags bear some numerology markings and the using of numerology by some secret and occult societies is well known fact so some numerology connection seems natural to me in the case. But I dont claim I can interpret this numbers or that someones interpretation is true or false. So my point is even if I dont believ in the power and application of numerology it is widely known that organizations that are probably complicit with this false flag use numerology in their rituals and operation.

    • Ivan Ivanov: None of us, not belonging to secret societies, knows what these numbers mean for sure. But there’s such scientific and universal term as “pattern” – something that’s irrelevant to beliefs, societies, magic, or inability of someone to recognize them. The presence of these patterns can be established both mathematically (in the form of very low probability for them to appear), or in some cases just by common sense (like a coin falling on the same side 20 times). And all one needs to define if some event is “signed” or not is to present the strong indication of a pattern. It’s not enough to put someone behind bars, but it’s enough to know in what direction to look.

    • Mr. Greenhalgh: My spin on the number aspect is that it could be used as a useful diversion element of an operation. This element attracts the armchair detectives who include it in their analysis of the whole operation. When they focus on it ,things are setup to discredit the whole analysis done by the armchair detective.

      The more such “strange” elements you include in your operation the better. The more high visibility the operation the better to use these “crazy element” (the Lady in a Polka-dot Dress). It cost you NOTHING.

    • Henry77: What you call ”useful diversion” is known as “digital alignment” and have been used by Satanists all over the world for ALL their actions without exceptions for centuries. The number of examples goes on thousands. Try to fit in your theory thousands of small local crimes that most “armchair detectives” have no idea about. You also forget to mention who’s creating this “useful diversion” . As we were told above “the intelligence community who plan and carry out operations … are not using some mystical numbers to schedule anything”. Then who does it ?

    • No-one does it, you’re reading something that isn’t really there, like some people say they can read things about your future from the lines on your hand. The people that plan these events are well aware of this nutcase belief so they may well encourage it, but no way are they planning their ops using this mystical numbers nonsense.

    • Alex__B: You could be right Alex. I don’t have insider info to dispute your position. For instance I think the date 9/11 was chosen just for this alignment of numbers. 911 – is an emergence number in the US.

      Also Amsterdam is famous for another “terror-theatric” event. The “underwear bomber” boarding a plane there to Detroit WITH assistance from people who freely moved around the airport. A Detroit lawyer and his wife sitting next to boarding area entrance saw how the kid was led through without checking him. Things got so hairy for them that they moved out of the US 🙂

    • Henry77: It’s hard to describe our time better than Jury Lina did in the intro to his book “Architect of Deception”. “Without details about the true history of freemasonry, it is very difficult to orientate oneself in today’s world. … It has been possible to clearly identify the masonic forces, which have done everything in their power to transform our world into Hell on Earth”… “We have been damaged mentally, physically and genetically. We have begun to prefer darkness to light. Most of us have chosen to believe in the illusory myths of the freemasons and assisted in the fight against those who have attempted to reveal the true facts. Far too many of us choose to defend these dark forces.”

    • Mr. Greenhalgh, We obviously have different understanding of many things. Like I’ve said earlier I do not feel any need in imposing my views on you (or anybody else for that matter), neither I have any intention to accept yours. I think it’s quite normal.

    • You obviously don’t understand anything about how the intelligence agencies work if you really think they use this numbers nonsense to plan anything. I spend a lot of time dealing with people from the intelligence community, so it’s not a case of accepting my views, I am stating fact and if you chose to not accept that fact because you think you know better then you are simply deluding yourself and have no clue of the reality of the situation.

    • And I think you don’t understand how “alignments“ work. For most cases it’s enough for just a few attributes of the case to be fixed (like date, name(s), location(s)). And there’s no need for people who carry it out to know anything or to worry about digital underlining whatsoever. They just do what they have been told. It also seems to me extremely naive to think that secret societies have not penetrated at least the upper echelons of all intelligence agencies. And there’s an equal sign between such societies and the world “occult”. It’s not just my opinion. Many well-known researches (including those writing on VT pages) think the same way. I have all the reasons to trust them. That’s it.

    • “The people that plan these events are well aware of this nutcase belief so they may well encourage it, but no way are they planning their ops using this mystical numbers nonsense.” – IG

      Why not use numerology to plan events as the best way to encourage the “nutcase belief”? That would be a rational action of someone who believes numerology is utter tosh, but understands that the belief in utter tosh by others helps to predict the behavior of these “nutcases” (assuming using numerology does not otherwise compromise the operation)?

    • “Look, the people in the intelligence community who plan and carry out operations…” – IG

      But what about the people who give orders to the intel agencies? Or what do the entities (whoever/whatever they may be) at the very top of the power pyramid believe? Certainly the latter question is impossible to answer, when the real controllers cannot (or will not) be identified?

    • Ok, so I’ll take a stab at putting this to bed. If there was such a thing as publicly utilized numerology, it would have very little value, but that does not mean synchronicities do not exist. The problem is when ammeters and folks who wouldn’t know where to begin, try to apply it to complex situations and the result is confusion.
      I remember the long list of things that have happened on Feb 22, at 2 pm. This does not mean someone planned it, and it does not mean that it has meaning. But to the point of the periodic table, the numbers are according to atomic weights, so there would be other ways to number them, but nobody has shown a better way than by weight. But Mendeleev got that in a dream, not by scientific method. He confirmed it by scientific method.

  30. Ian, I have 3 questions:
    1. What about all the evidence of the assembled cockpit, presented by the German high ranking pilot, showing strafing and flechet damage from a missile. how was that evidence fabricated?
    2. I can understand Indonesia might be put under tremendous pressure to sacrifice a few hundred people, but why would Russia give up such a great opportunity to expose the RKM while being accused of complicity in the crime?
    3. If this is true, how did they pull MH 370 out of the sky? With backdoor autopilot control and fly the plane to 30k feet then cut oxygen delivery or depressurize. Was that the same method the two planes in Penselvania and the Pentagone were made to vanish?
    If this is Israel’s doing time to call an air strike on Tel Aviv.

    • Is this to make followers of alternate media doubt everything they are told? That was the first impression I had. This is going to be one more dare before these people reach their level of competance and make the big exposing blunder.

    • 1. No fabrication necessary, they simply flew MH370 over Ukraine by remote control then shot it down.
      2. Malaysia was coerced and pressured to fall into line. As for Russia, I don’t know, maybe they chose to use the evidence as leverage?
      3. It is possible to take over control of any airliner with little more than a laptop. I expect they took over MH370 mid-flight and killed the passengers and crew either by depressurisation or by pumping something toxic into the cabin. They then flew the plane to Diego Garcia. I expect it was then flown on to somewhere else, possibly one of the secret US-Israeli airbases in Azerbaijan. There were no planes on 9-11, the WTC towers were most likely struck by cruise missiles, we know the pentagon was hit by a cruise missile.

    • Khalid & Ian: You both make sense (based on evidence). I was ‘there.’ Trust me. 😉

      Russia either used what Russia has for other purposes — or Russia is ‘saving it.’

      Khalid, although you summarize good proof, it’s NOT inconsistent with “MH17 = MH370.”

      Ian, although you summarize good proof, it’s NOT inconsistent with MH370 being substituted for MH17 — AFTER an Amsterdam take-off. My recollection is: DNA/forensics were >later< enough to ID bodies in Netherlands, Malaysia, etc.

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