…from Sputnik News, Moscow

[ Editor’s Note: Hong Kong authorities might have finally figured out how to end the student protests. Someone suggested that the riot police be split into three shifts of 8 hours each, and go at the protesters non-stop.

For now it seems to be working. They surrounded the students at Hong Kong polytechnic University, which they have used as a base to build their weapons, as it was good high ground for them to fight from.

They could throw gas bombs down on the cops, something that, if it happened in the US, police snipers would have begun shooting the protesters in a jiffy. In the end, they were fighting to break out.

One exhausted arrested protester stated, “They have been coming at us for 30 hours, we are totally exhausted.”

The US ploy to make China look bad has boomeranged, as the well-known discipline of the Hong Kong forces has had the US punching air. Yes, mainland China had troops in barracks, but kept them there during the conflict.

They only brought them out recently, unarmed in jogging shorts and T-shirts, to help clear and clean up some of the streets, where previously when Chinese civilians had tried to help do this, they were beaten by the protesters, a bad move on their part.

None of the protesters seemed interested in trying to beat up the young and healthy Chinese troops. I don’t think it would have worked out well for them. As Gordon has always said, the stories of war protesters spitting on returning Vietnam Marines were bogus, as they would have been beaten to death on the spot.

We will now see if the fact of 400 arrests yesterday and the new police tactics resonate in the minds of the protesters. While they are in jail, they will have time to think about whether jumping on the American freedom-and-democracy train was a good idea.

Maybe the Chinese authorities will set up internet chat rooms in prison for them so they can talk to the Bolivian native Indians how the US interference worked out for them, and then they can work the circuit talking to Afghans, Iraqis, Libyans, Egyptians, Ukrainians, Venezuelans, Iranians and Yemenis.

Being college-age kids, they might be able to figure it all out, if they want. Otherwise, as the Chinese authorities are telling the students straight out, if they continue to use lethal tactics against police, some of the protesters will be having funeralsJim W. Dean ]

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– First published … November 11, 2019

All eyes were on Hong Kong Polytechnic University this weekend as over 400 individuals were arrested and others were taken to the hospital after trying to escape the school.

Even though authorities have used notably restrained and non-lethal methods against protesters up until now, the Hong Kong Police Force’s (HKPF) patience may be wearing thin.

Hong Kong police continued to clash with protesters in the semi-autonomous city over the past several days, exchanging tear gas, water cannon and rubber bullets with demonstrators’ homemade petrol bombs and bow and arrow fire.

As unrest continues and demonstrators’ weaponry becomes more lethal, an escalation in police response to the protests may be on the horizon as well.

“If they continue such dangerous actions, we would have no choice but to use the minimum force necessary, including live rounds, to fire back,” Hong Kong Police Superintendent Louis Lau said Sunday, as reported by Deutsche Welle.

On Monday, officers were also able to shutter all exits to Hong Kong Polytechnic University, effectively trapping several hundred student protesters within the school. Approximately 400 people who attempted to exit the school have been arrested as a result.

Mike Wong, vice president of the San Francisco chapter of Veterans for Peace, joined Radio Sputnik’s Loud and Clear on Monday to discuss what he believes is the reasoning behind the anti-riot police’s restraint and explain why that same sense of control may soon disappear.

“The police in Hong Kong are very well trained; the police in China are very well trained these days,” Wong told hosts Brian Becker and John Kiriakou. “Riot control is something they’re very good at.”

Furthermore, he pointed out, the governments of Hong Kong and mainland China are aware of the potential “political consequences” and the lens through which the international community – and Western media, particularly – would view them if police-protester clashes turned into a “blood bath.”

“They have to lie,” Wong argued, speaking of Western media. “They’ll take the very restrained force used by the Hong Kong police … and they’ll try to depict it as some horrible, evil empire … They won’t admit that [the HKPF] is using so much less force than would be used in the United States or any other Western country.”

With this knowledge, anti-riot police in Hong Kong have been acting with “great restraint” in situations that would play out differently in other parts of the world, according to Wong. For example, if someone hurled a Molotov cocktail at a US police officer, then they would be shot without consequence to the officer.

However, the HKPF’s patience may be running thin following this weekend’s clashes.

“The fact that they’re issuing kind of a blanket warning is a new stage, and I think it is a response to the stepped up firepower that the protesters have with the bows and arrows,” Wong said.

The Veterans for Peace official went on to argue that between the archery and the siege of Hong Kong Polytechnic University, the demonstrations are taking a medieval warfare turn, and the authorities actually appear to be waiting to let the protesters come out on their own rather than storm the school.


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      I won’t thank you for your service.

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      Military service, which you may or may not have had, is to the people. Local governance has their own police. A price for freedom. But your constant admonishment of active duty military is unwarranted and uninformed. the thing is, once you join, it’s your life and your ass, not a choice or decision after that,. So, try to catch up….you’ve been behind on this for years..,it’s tiring.

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      Something you don’t seem to get, is almost everyone signs up with good intentions and pure contractural knowing of what they are protecting is you. You piss me off.

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    The same people behind the ANTIFA and BLM mobs could very well be behind the mobs in Hong Kong.
    Antifa has been escalating the violence just as the HK students are doing and it will not be of anyone’s benefit except for those who are controlling these groups. They are the ones with the grand plan.
    Much to the chagrin of the western media outlets, the HKPF have shown up till now, a great amount of restraint in dealing with an ever mounting violent mob. The latest tactic appears to be working up to a point where the mob will become more violent and more willing to commit acts of violence if they feel they have nothing left to lose.
    If they are the same people behind the unrest in other countries, there is a chance they will eventually tip their hand and expose themselves. Up to this point we only have suspicion and speculation as to who is behind all this, although it’s probably accurate enough.

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    (1) The crowd will be confused at WTF is going on understandably and this will disarm them; (2) The security forces can take a breather; (3) The giant baby Trump balloons will block the camera angles adequately and make the protest look like an anti-Trump rally; and, (4) Those compelling the foreign destabilization plans will also be a lot more cautious about attempting any bullsh*t that can be doubly lied against and turned around in the future.