Ivermectin, fraud or real?

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Ivermectin treats worms in cats and can be used to treat river blindness, caused by a parasite.  It also has some effect on tropical viral infections like dengue fever.

Ivermectin is extremely dangerous and loaded with nasty side effects, which I know from treating a seriously ill kitten some years ago.  It works, it kills worms and only partially kills small kittens which can recover if lucky.

The current recommendations to use Ivermectin for COVID are based on largely fake studies.  By “fake” I mean the data was borrowed from other studies and applied haphazardly.

Will Ivermectin work?  Maybe.

The real problem is running a clinical study using an animal drug with very high toxicity risk.  However…this should be done and this effort should have been started earlier.

Should it be used on dying covid patients?

My guess…NO.

There are other treatments such as the illegal and extremely expensive treatment Trump and friends got that will work better, treatments that are now undergoing their preliminary studies in the UK.  Soon 1125 patients will be chosen for a double blind but we already have very strong reason to believe that these treatments equivocate vaccine level antibodies and can save many who are dying.

A balanced article is here for review.

https://www.isglobal.org/en/healthisglobal/-/custom-blog-portlet/ivermectin-and-covid-19-how-a-flawed-database-shaped-the-covid-19-response-of-several-latin-american-countries/2877257/0

My other issue is this; google ‘covid ivermectin.’  You get many dozens of websites, journals, studies and articles.

They are all fake.

Real scientists can do real studies and get real results. Fake scientists do fake studies and publish fake results.

This is how we got hydroxychloroquine.  Even Remdesivir is working out poorly, or so we are told, though anecdotal evidence we had received was very favorable.

Can you trust anecdotal evidence?

We have two paths, vaccines and antibody based treatments thus far.  Ivermectin should be tested, no reason not to look at everything.

 

 

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20 COMMENTS

  1. You say: “Can you trust anecdotal evidence?”

    And yet you cite your single experience with a kitten to prove that Ivermectin is extremely dangerous and loaded with nasty side effects.

    Apparently it is given to many humans to treat or prevent parasites with no side effects. And horse owners routinely give it to their horses with no problems.

  2. This article is terrible. There is a large body of evidence showing ivermectin’s effectiveness – both in early stage AND importantly, in severe and hospitalised patients. Look up the IVERCAR study from Argentina, thats one of the biggest.
    See also here a meta analysis of some of the current available research from University of Liverpool for the WHO. If you continue to talk crap about this nobel prize winning medication – you are clearly not impartial and have an agenda.
    https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/

  3. Gordon, I greatly respect the stories and sources you bring to VT, but you got this one wrong. The FLCCC are the good guys! You have managed to confuse them with a group calling itself something like the Frontline Alliance. They gave a notorious press conference in D.C., containing the colorful individuals you described.

    In addition, your primary source is now very out of date. While it’s true that a fraudulent study of Ivermectin got published, the Lancet published an equally fraudulent study of HCQ. Since then, there have been many studies, most of which are positive. The South American states that gave out Ivermectin have had dramatically positive results. The FLCCC has collected the evidence in this paper:
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/flccc-ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-covid-19/
    A one-page summary of the evidence is here:
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/one-page-summary-of-the-clinical-trials-evidence-for-ivermectin-in-covid-19/

    I’ve been following the FLCCC for months, and have the utmost respect for them. You can tell by listening to their lectures–and their testimony to Congress–that these are doctors at the top of their profession. They have been working tirelessly to develop treatments that can end the pandemic. Strikingly, the federal health agencies don’t seem interested. There’s one hell of a story there for VT to investigate…

    • Thus far, there is nothing but hot air out there supporting Ivermectin. Why turn to take journals and back room quacks when mainstream medicine has been funding anything and everything anyway?

      Every possible drug has been evaluated and tested..including Ivermectin.

      There is nothing I have seen that would indicate it could lower viral loads of COVID 19 other than loosely worded crap.

    • If you haven’t done a double blind study with more than 1100 subjects and published results in a REAL peer reviewed journal, Lancet or JAMA, or done everything possible to get funding for same, you are a quack. Idiots doing private research in their offices and then publishing in Natural News…..
      Please save me from quacks.

  4. I printed all the relevant reports and studies from FLCCC and gave them to the Dr in charge of the Covid response at the local hospital group where I work a couple weeks ago. I have not yet followed up on it but have not noticed changes in care protocols. On a side note I did mentioned to him early in this pandemic how an elderly nuclear scientist neighbor of mind described how he once checked himself out of the University hospital after being treated for broken ribs and pneumonia. He bought himself an inversion table laid on his stomach and hung upside down till all the fluids drained out his nose and mouth. He had a fairly rapid recovery from his pneumonia. My Covid response Dr said that may have helped but could easily been just fortunate coincidence. He did mention something about a medical practice of orthostatic position to alleviate fluid buildup from pneumonia in patients who are bedridden. Next day I noticed all the Covid patients were in the position called’proning’ with their heads down on their stomach.

  5. “O horror, horror, horror!
    Tongue nor heart cannot conceive nor name thee!…
    Confusion now hath made his masterpiece.
    Most sacrilegious murder hath broke ope
    The Lord’s anointed temple, and stole thence
    The life o’ th’ building!” – MacDuff (Macbeth)

    The above quote might well describe the state of America today. Anything that helps prevent or treat COVID cannot be dismissed by anyone be it Budesonide, Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine with Zinc, … Some, a substantial number in fact, doubt the efficacy of the gamut of vaccines while others unswervingly embrace them. Having a eugenicist like Gates or a stock vapid personality like Fauci with a vested financial interested in vaccines pushing the program, only serves to reduce trust in the rollout. We live in uncertain times and it may take many months more – where normally it takes years, before adequate treatment by vaccine is confirmed. At least as matters stand we have a choice on what to take. Politics and greed may well remove that option to the tender mercy of Big Pharma, WHO and a host of federal agencies who re-echo President Reagen’s words: “I am from the Government and I am here to help you.” But what do I know, I don’t have a medical license which no doubt negates my opinion. Yet many doctors have questioned the veracity of facts, substantiated and unsubstantiated scientific and medical facts alike. And on such quiddities – and an eye to following the money, are my opinions based.

  6. There is an experimental Ibuprofen reformulation to be used inhaled called Luarprofeno, is not for sale and is not the same common ibuprofen you can buy at drug store. It’s performing well on dying covid patients, wih 35 over 40 recovered and cut in half the recovery time on advanced stages of disease.

    • There is no clinical basis for assuming luarprofeno, “mexican ibuprophen” does anything at all

    • Gordon , the basis is in the recovered patients, not many yet, right, 35 on 40 as far as I know, but in which was administered when they was in a serious condition and was proved produces rapid improvement. And it’s not mexican the lab that developed it first.

  7. Alternative medications come up because people rejected the simplest prevention methods. Schools and big box stores remained open without addressing ventilation which could easily have been done in March. Many people do not even believe the virus is real. Some occupations were prioritized over others as “essential” without good cause or valid reasoning, such as colleges. Health care is unattainable for many people financially. Leadership was completely absent making our country the worst hit. Mitigation efforts were actively thwarted. Elderly care has been monetized and operates like a feed lot for cattle. Under these conditions, some people may find alternative meds, helpful , if they are at the onset of symptoms. It is overwhelmingly obvious, that money and power, enable testing and treatment at a level unavailable to the poor. Situations are not equal. Ivermectin is cheap, and it is not solely an animal drug, and is available as a human medication. Far less risky than Hydroxychloroquine.

  8. The most intriguing website and organization I have come across concerning Ivermectin come from This group of doctors and scientists: Home | FLCCC | Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
    covid19criticalcare.com. I haven’t a clue how to verify anything that I read. According to the 30% rule I tread lightly here too.

    • The activities and behaviors of big pharma, in collaboration with medical establishments and government, have lost trust. They know how to get it back, but thus far refuse to make any attempt to do so. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what happens when wealth and health become entangled in politics. Incentivized greed has no place in medicine, and neither does favoritism. I’ll hold my respect and trust until it is earned, and I encourage anyone else to do the same. Our system is disgusting and deserves neither. All health care should be free, and on a need basis. What we see is the product of predatory capitalism and religion. Those with ‘titles” did not miss a pay check, and have free health care. They even made money.

  9. Ivermectin is used widely in humans, the less pure form for animals. It’s probably not going to cure late stage covid. It, like other treatments is best effective when given early into onset of virus. It’s used widely in tropical countries, but, it does have some drug interactions so it’s not for everyone. I disagree your source is balanced, it’s put out as a personal opinion by the site it resides on. The FLCCC is a coalition of top published doctors, and they are recommending Ivermectin for treatment as a team, using many studies. These doctors are not fake, they are as good as it gets, that’s why they testified in front of congress. I have read articles by both British and Australian doctors saying this needs at the very least serious looking into. By the way, dosage for Ivermectin is based on patient weight. I disagree with some of the points made in the article but do appreciate you bringing it to the fore.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/

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