Nearly 40% of Marines have declined Covid-19 vaccine

…from CNN News

[ Editor’s Note: This came as quite a surprise, as I had thought that when you are in the military and not vaccinated you cannot be deployed, and you are not supposed to be getting paid and all of your benefits if you aren’t available for deployment.

So there appears to be a showdown going on with what might be a lot of pro-Trump folks in the ranks that got hustled by Trump with his early hoax cures. But then the emergency initial authorization to start using Covid seems to have carried with it the option for troops to opt out, as did Sgt. Carroll, interviewed by the Guardian on Feburary 27th.

“The army tells me what, how and when to do almost everything,” Sgt Tracey Carroll, who is based at Fort Sill, an army post in Oklahoma, told the Guardian. “They finally asked me to do something and I actually have a choice, so I said no.”

But we are way down the line from the emergency usage now, with bigger studies on how well the Pfizer vaccines has worked anyway. There have always been reactions to all vaccines and many medical treatments, even with drugs, and they all have their lists of pre-conditions to make sure users are aware.

Like what happened with the general public, those in the first tier had the higher acceptance rate, as with military healthcare, with the percentage going down from there in the ranks and also education level. From a March 19th CNN story we had:

“What we found is working is soldier testimonials rather than the CDC guidance or the corps surgeon or battalion or brigade surgeon,” said Col. Joseph Buccino, a Fort Bragg spokesman.

Getting herd immunity is still up in the air. Here in Michigan with Gordon and I, we are now ground zero in the current surge being driven by young people with the British variant.

As the number of vaccinated keeps going up, that will hopefully increase trust. Biden was happy to report the big 4 million shot day. But even colleges are still on the fence as to whether to insist on vaccinations for those returning to school in person.

The Navy Times reported on March 24th that some in Congress are pushing Biden to order military vaccinations by executive order:

Calling unvaccinated troops “a critical threat to our national security and public health,” U.S. Rep. Jimmy Panetta, D-Calif., sent a letter to the White House Wednesday urging Biden to issue a “waiver of informed consent” that would force troops, if ordered, to get the vaccines as soon as they were eligible.

“Vaccinating every eligible servicemember will improve readiness and have an immediate and positive impact on the communities in which they serve,” Panetta wrote.

“Requiring DOD to obtain informed consent prior to vaccination is not only harmful to our national security, but contrary to the best interests of servicemembers, their families, communities and colleagues.”

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First published … April 13,2021

Washington (CNN) Nearly 40% of US Marines are declining Covid-19 vaccinations, according to data provided to CNN on Friday by the service, the first branch to disclose service-wide numbers on acceptance and declination.

As of Thursday, approximately 75,500 Marines have received vaccines, including fully vaccinated and partially vaccinated service men and women. About 48,000 Marines have chosen not to receive vaccines, for a declination rate of 38.9%.CNN has reached out to the other services for acceptance and declination rates.

The corresponding acceptance rate for vaccinations among Marines — 61.1% — is not far off the military estimate of two-thirds, or about 66%.

Another 102,000 Marines have not yet been offered the vaccines. The total number of Marines includes active-duty, reserves and Individual Mobilization Augmentee Marines.
The declination rate at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina, one of the prominent Marine Corps bases, was far higher, at 57%, according to another set of data provided to CNN.

Of 26,400 Marines who have been offered vaccinations, 15,100 have chosen not to receive them, a number that includes both II Marine Expeditionary Force and Marine Corps Installation East — Camp Lejeune. Another 11,500 active-duty Marines are scheduled to be offered the vaccines.

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  1. So Mr. Dean, by your own thought process, an executive order would exonerate anyone in the Military from say – following an unlawful order? Well Sir, I didn’t even want to wipe out that little Village full of Women and Children, but the President signed an executive order! Oh – that’s what must’ve happened in WW2 when the indiscriminate bombing of Civilians was done in Germany by the U.S. and British Bomber crews. So – I suppose there is already a precedent…

  2. “There have always been reactions to all vaccines and many medical treatments, even with drugs, and they all have their lists of pre-conditions to make sure users are aware.” Jim, I would disagree with you on the “make sure users are aware” part. The pre-conditions are the fine print. But in practice, the vaccine makers, as well as Trump and Biden admins, have all shoved the vaccines as being safe for all, even though that’s not true. Now it’s biting them.
    I will give 2 examples, 1 good and 1 bad, from my own close circle. Both were VIPS who got their Pfizer shot the very 1st week when it was still unavailable to others. VIP#1 was my own daughter, a nurse who was part of the Pfizer trial. When the trial concluded, she found out she was one who’d had the placebo, and she was offered 1st crack at the shot. She took it, ~Dec 12 I think. All has gone well for her, but I was in a cold sweat for 2 months while waiting, as she is my ONLY kid, has 3 children, and I wasn’t happy about her being a guinea pig.
    VIP#2 who also got his Pfizer shot that same week, is the dad of a guy my husband closely works with, at a small company. The Dad was a retired gov’t employee VIP, don’t know what agency. Dad and the family all previously had CV19 disease in Sept-Oct. Dad SHOULD have been checked for antibodies before his shot. But nope. 1st shot that he got ~Dec 12, it went Ok.

    • But VIPs 2nd shot, ~Jan 10 or so, very bad. Again, nobody tested his antibodies or warned him of issues. Within 24 hours of that 2nd shot, he had a violent reaction, and went into the ICU. Here we are, the middle of April, more than 3 months later, and he is still in the ICU. The family is very angry, as they now know about the vaccine issues (including the fact that people who had CV19 disease could be at risk of immune system over-reaction) that they were never warned about ahead of the shot. 3 months in ICU, even if the Dad lives, will bankrupt the family. The son, my husband’s close co-worker, has now refused to get the shot, as he had CV19 at the same time as his dad, and he fears what the vaccine would do to him.

      Bottom line: Vaccine makers, the CDC and the Admin should have told the WHOLE truth from the beginning, that this is not a “one size fits all” vaccine. Better yet, they could have advocated a simple strategy, and the Biden admin could still do this… The strategy is this: Before taking a vaccine, get an antibodies test done. if high antibodies, defer the shot. Same thing before 2nd shot, get the Antibodies test done. Cheap and quick to do antibody test, and there is no excuse for the CDC not issuing that as a guidance. Proper truthful guidance should greatly reduce the # of people who are hesitant to get the vaccine.

  3. Most of the people I know who have taken the vaccines are wandering around in a very diminished capacity at least. Many of them are now sorry they fell into this lie. Good thing is that they are now very vocal opponents to it. I’m talking athletes here – tennis players, swimmers and runners, bikers etc. They ALL have complained of weakness, fogginess and apathy. But of course – maybe it’s only THEM that was affected this way? I seriously doubt that…

  4. all around the world there is also where the virus isn’t present one only order done from the higher levels of governments (sold to big pharma perhaps?) to make whatever action to inoculate this drug (NOT A VACCINE BUT ANOTHER THING…..ALSO EXPERIMENTAL!) TO WHATEVER PEOPLE POSSIBLE.
    Then in front of what is happening take there drugs is a very dangerous action for people.
    We must think to AIDS where after 50/60 years there is NOT a drug or a vaccine to fight AIDS.
    Now, if we must take for good a drug created in very few months by the more rogue corporation in earth (the farmaceutic corporations which are developing chemic bacteriological weapons for the pentagon in many laboratories OUT OF USA for not be persecuted in bad cases…….)
    Please go here: investigative journalist banned from youtube, twitter and other evil rogue media, not banned, CENSORED, by orders of american government and CIA.

  5. Correct me if I am wrong please!
    Getting the vaccination keeps you yourself from dying from SARScovid19 infection, or going to the hospital for a long stay.
    BUT it does NOT prevent one once vaccinated from being infected, and passing it on to others.
    True or false?

    • They can decline already under present protocols. So the issue will be can an executiver order change all that. We don’t know, but it was news, coming from his own party, so worth publishing. For us at VT, defending the country includes not spreading Covid. I would not pay anyone refusing the vaccine. They gave up all kinds of rights going into the military for the benefits they get.

    • I remember with the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine, the Navy said it was voluntary, with one caveat: if you didn’t take the vaccine, you didn’t get paid.

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