Alexis: I read Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control back in 2006. I tell people that if they want to understand how the New World Order has historically used sex to control an entire society, then they have to get a copy of that book. You discuss at length the ideology behind the French Revolution, Adam Weishaupt’s secret society, and Sigmund Freud’s psychoanalysis.
In my humble opinion, the book is worth every piece of dime. In fact, every book you write is a college course in itself and is worth every piece of dime. I have never been disappointed at all precisely because you go by the scholarly method. I had a lot of rethinking to do after I read Libido Dominandi, which is 662 pages. Let’s explore some of the themes in the book. You write:
“Psychoanalysis and Illuminism were, in effect the same project—the Illuminist term Seelenanalyse is simply the Germanified term of psychoanalysis or vice versa—with details changed to suit the sensibilities of a later age, an age which believed that ‘science’ and ‘medicine,’ rather than secret societies, would lead to heaven on earth.
“Both psychoanalysis and Illuminism engaged in what a later critic called ‘Seelenspionage,’ spying on the soul. Both made use of what might be called a Masonic doctrine of two truths as part of their very nature. What the adept knew was not the same as what the controller knew. The patient saw psychoanalysis as a form of liberation; whereas the therapist fostered this illusion as a form of control.
“Psychoanalysis adopted all of the essential characteristics of Illuminist mind control, but Illuminism can just as easily be seen as an early form of psychoanalysis, a project long cherished by the Enlightenment.”
Some people may think that this is quite bizarre. But this is not new at all. The late Jewish scholar David Bakan, author of Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition said almost the same. Richard Noll and other writers such as Nandor Fodor have said similar things.
You have a long discussion on Sigmund Freud and Adam Weishaupt in the book. In fact, chapter one begins with Weishaupt and the ideology behind the French Revolution. What are the real connections and do they have any relevance today? Does the regime continue to use sex as a form of political control or isn’t it just a relic of the past?
Jones: Yes, it’s more relevant now than when I wrote the book almost 20 years ago. The Israelis broadcast pornography over Palestinian TV stations after their invasion of Ramallah. The CIA flooded Portugal with pornography in 1974 and they used it as a weapon when the US invaded Panama in 1989.
But there is some indication that the message is getting out. The Polish bishops’ statement denouncing what they call “gender ideology” was based to a large extent on Libido Dominandi, which they got indirectly through Gabriele Kuby’s book. Just the other day I got a letter from a Muslim woman thanking me making the connection between sexual liberation and political control clear to her. This idea clearly has legs now.
Alexis: Can you elaborate on the statement that “The CIA flooded Portugal with pornography in 1974 and they used it as a weapon when the US invaded Panama in 1989”?
Jones: By the 1970s, when both Penthouse and Playboy enjoyed their heyday, the CIA began to make use of pornography as one of the weapons on their arsenal of psychological warfare. In 2002 the CIA collaborated with Israel’s Shin Beth in broadcasting pornography over Palestinian TV stations in Ramallah during one Israel’s periodic incursions into Palestinian territory.
During the run-up to the 2003 invasion, the CIA contemplated doing a pornographic featuring a double who looked like Saddam Hussein, as a way of de-legitimizing his government.
In the mid-‘50s the CIA actually produced a pornographic film to bring down President Sukharno of Indonesia. But by the 1970s, it had become clear, if for no other reason than the simple division of labor, that the production of pornography could be out-sourced to people like Robert Guccione (founder and publisher of Penthouse), whose magazines had become more popular with soldiers in Vietnam than Playboy.
By the 1970s, pornography had become one of the psychological weapons of destabilization and control in the CIA’s arsenal of covert warfare. In 1974, the CIA used pornography to derail the communist revolution in Portugal. Someone who was there at the time claimed that after the Thanksgiving week-end revolution of 1974:
“Lisbon area was flooded by some of the most outrageous, blatant, and unbelievably graphic publications I have ever seen. Mrs. Fitzmaurice, our school psychologist, a stringer for Time magazine, published an article entitled ‘Blue Revolution,’ describing the situation. She mentioned that Portugal had surpassed Denmark as the porno center of Europe.
“That [Ambassador and later CIA director Frank] Carlucci was running Portugal was too obvious to be denied. He apparently had a limitless CIA budget. Former Communists and socialists were now quite wealthy.
“The planing, organizing, and coordinating of the coup d’etat was carried out at the Elliott Roosevelt Arabian Horse Ranch near Lisbon. (Elliott’s son was in my 11th-grade American History class.) Interestingly, thanks to Salazar, for more than four decades, Portugal had been free of anything sexually graphic, and most things suggestive.
“All foreign films were censored, with offensive scenes cut. All schoolbooks strongly taught Catholic morality. Beach police enforced a strict bathing suit attire. In less than two years, Lisbon moved from being the most crime-free city of Western Europe to having the highest crime rate, including child rape.”
Frank Carlucci served as Ambassador to Portugal from 1974 to 1977. From 1978 to 1981, Carlucci served as Deputy Director of the CIA under Admiral Stansfield Turner. In December 1974, Time magazine, which established close links with the CIA in 1953 under C. D. Jackson, who worked simultaneously for both organizations, ran an article on the Marxist revolution in Portugal entitled “Revolutionary Blue.” The article, which like all articles at that time was unsigned, did not mention Frank Carlucci, but it did state, in Time’s typically coy fashion:
“There have even been charges that the CIA is sponsoring the new pornography to sap the revolution of its energies. Recently, Premier Vasco Goncalves on nationwide television admonished his people to fight pseudo-leftist and anarchists instead of going to see the pornography that is available everywhere.”
Alexis: You are right on target here again. If people doubt some of the claims you have made here, then they need to consider what Benjamin Netanyahu himself has said in front of U.S. officials:
“If you want to advance regime change in Iran, you don’t have to go through the C.I.A. cloak-and-dagger stuff — what you want to do is take very large, very strong transponders and just beam ‘Melrose Place’ and ‘Beverly Hills 2050’ and all that into Tehran and into Iran, because that is subversive stuff. They watch it — the young kids watch it, the young people. They want to have the same nice clothes and the same houses and swimming pools and so on.”
Netanyahu is not that stupid. He knows that this “subversive stuff” can destroy lives and has destroyed lives. He knows that Samson, one of Israel’s heroes, was eventually defeated by this “subversive stuff.”
“Samson and Delilah is a good place to start. Israel was invincible military…so the Philistines decided to get the Israelite leader by other than military means. They seduced him sexually. Once Samson succumbed to Delilah’s wiles, he lost his power, and Israel lost its leader. He was no longer on the field of battle, but rather, to use Milton’s phrase, ‘eyeless in Gaza, grinding at the mill with slaves.’”
So, Netanyahu did not lie this time. He knows precisely that sexual ideology is “subversive stuff,” and once a person succumbs to that stuff, he then becomes a slave to his oppressors.
If we follow this idea to its logical conclusion, then people like David Cronenberg, Eli Roth, Stanley Kubrick, Roman Polanski, among others, know that they are enslaving their audience by producing this “subversive stuff.” Under the name of “democracy” and “freedom,” they are able to subtly and deceptively remove morality from the public sphere and substitute pornography and sexual liberation in order to keep the masses under their control.
This is really dangerous and destructive, and people like Augustine understood this long ago. Augustine said:
“Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a salve. For he serves, not one man alone, but, what is worse, as many masters as he has vices.”
The logic of this principle is pretty simple: whenever morality is removed from the life of an individual or even the public square, man will inevitably become an animal. And this is where the Darwinian metaphysics fails miserably because Darwin himself could not see any major difference between man and animal. Man is unique precisely because he can apprehend the moral order and willingly respond to it. Moreover, man is a moral creature. As Jones argues,
“Morality is reason in the practical order. Anything which undermines morality undermines reason, and without reason man is no better than the animals which, Malthus discovered, procreate themselves into extinction unless checked by nature.
“Man without morals is in precisely the same situation as the bacteria in the bucket, which became the paradigm of Malthus’s geometric population growth, a view which he himself rejected solely because it failed to take into account man’s reason and his ability to calculate future consequences.”
What we have seen over the past 60 years or so is that the regime that control America and much of the West has effectively removed morality from the culture and unleashed an avalanche of sexual ideology which they knew would shake the very foundation of any society.
Take for example Roman Polanski’s Bitter Moon. In the movie, Oscar Benton aspires to become a writer, but that dream came to an abrupt end when he glimpsed at a woman by the name of Fiona Dobson on a bus. As he describes it,
“Paris, my dream city. Hemingway, Miller, Scott Fitzgerald, I was determined to follow in their footsteps—maybe too determined for my own good…Paris was heaven, until that day on the bus….It was no good. I couldn’t write, couldn’t sleep, couldn’t get her out of my mind.”
That glimpse on the bus led Benton to “new possibilities” (his words), which of course includes sexual possibilities and explorations, such as being “humiliated by a beautiful woman.”
To make a long story short, Benton finally admitted that he was completely “demolished by a love that was too strong.” What he meant to say was that he was demolished by his own sexual and unbridled passion. That unbridled passion progressively moved to other territories such as sadomasochism, complete sexual bondage, and voyeurism.
Benton admitted that he was “completely enslaved, body and soul,” by his own sexual impulses, which first crippled him morally and then physically.
In the end, Dobson was seduced by his uncontrolled lust, which eventually led him to his pathetic death. Surely Polanski knows that Bitter Moon is “subversive stuff.” Even Slant, a magazine that celebrates Hollywood movies, said that the movie is “perversion.”
But it is perversion like this that ends up corrupting people like Lisa Palac, the author of The Edge of the Bed: How Dirty Pictures Changed My Life. Palac said:
“Pop culture glued me to my friends, expanded my vocabulary and, of course, tipped me off to big worlds of sexual possibilities. It was the type of sex education where I learned through suggestion and nuance.”
The “big worlds of sexual possibilities” include pornography, which Palac saw as a tipping point in her life:
“Once I figured out how to use porn and come—how to look at an erotic image and use my sexual imagination to turn desire into a self-generated orgasm—my life was irrevocably and positively changed.”17]
The moral of the story? It is no accident that Jewish writers, lawyers, and organizations have fought for unrestricted pornography in films and elsewhere. They know that pornography is slavery, and study after study has proved this point. Pornography was even viewed as a drug more harmful than crack cocaine. One medical expert by the name of Jeffrey Satinover of Princeton declared that pornography “does what heroin can’t do.”
Research has shown that pornography initially gets people interested in having sex, but in the end it destroys the natural way of making love. Some neurosurgeons such as Donald L. Hilton of the University of Texas have even gone so far as to say that prolonged exposure to pornography can cause brain damage.
Why don’t those studies lead to the closing of the pornographic industry? The love of money, as we all know, is the root of all evil. The pornography industry has a $97 billion revenue every year.
So, is E. Michael Jones right in documenting how the regime has used sex as a form of political control?
The answer is yes.
 E. Michael Jones, Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control (South Bend: St. Augustine’s Press, 2000), 126-127.
 David Bakan, Sigmund Freud and the Jewish Mystical Tradition (New York: Dover Publications, 2004).
 Richard Noll, The Jung Cult: Origins Of A Charismatic Movement (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1994); Nandor Fodor, Freud, Jung, and occultism (New York: University Books, 1971).
 For documentation, see E. Michael Jones, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History (South Bend: Fidelity Press, 2008), 1054-1058.
 Gabrielle Kuby, The Global Sexual Revolution: Destruction of Freedom in the Name of Freedom (Kettering, OH: Angelico Press, 2012 and 2015), 16-31.
 Personal correspondence.
 For a new study on this, see David A. Wemhoff, John Courtney Murray, Time/Life, and the American Proposition: How the CIA’s Doctrinal Warfare Program Changed the Catholic Church (South Bend: Fidelity Press, 2015). I will be posting an interview I conducted with David A. Wemhoff this weekend.
 “Revolutionary Blue,” Time, 12/23/74, Vol. 104, #26, p. 41.
 “Revolutionary Blue,” Time, 12/23/74, Vol. 104, #26, p. 41.
 Quoted in Robert Mackey, “Kerry Reminds Congress Netanyahu Advised U.S. to Invade Iraq,” NY Times, February 25, 2015.
 E. Michael Jones, The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History (South Bend: Fidelity Press, 2008), 1055.
 For a study on this, see for example Janet Browne, Charles Darwin: A Biography (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1996); Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist (New York: W. W. Norton, 1991).
 Jones, Libido Dominandi, 599.
 Quoted in E. Michael Jones, Libido Dominandi: Sexual Liberation and Political Control (South Bend: St. Augustine’s Press, 2000), 263.
 Ibid., 588.
 See for example Josh Lambert, Unclean Lips: Obscenity, Jews, and American Culture (New York: New York University Press, 2014); Nathan Abrams, The New Jew in Film: Exploring Jewishness and Judaism in Contemporary Cinema (Piscataway: Rutgers University Press, 2012).
 See for example Mary Eberstadt and Mary Anne Layden, The Social Costs of Pornography (New York and Barcelona: The Whitherspoon Institute, 2010); Gail Dimes, Pornland: How Porn Has Hijacked Our Sexuality (Boston: Beacon Press, 2010); Pamela Paul, Pornified: How Pornography Is Damaging Our Lives, Our Relationships, and Our Families (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 2006); William M. Struthers, Wired for Intimacy: How Pornography Hijacks the Mail Brain (Downer Grove, IL: IVP, 2009).
 “Porn Panic Over Eroto-Toxins,” New Scientist, November 27, 2004.
 See Norman Doidge, The Brain That Changes Itself: Stories of Personal Triumph from the Frontiers of Brain Science (New York: Penguin, 2007).
 Donald L. Hilton, “Slave Master,” Salvo Magazine, Summer 2010.
 Donald L. Hilton and Clark Watts, “Pornography Addiction: A Neuroscience Perspective,” Surgical Neurological International, February 21, 2011.
Jonas E. Alexis has degrees in mathematics and philosophy. He studied education at the graduate level. His main interests include U.S. foreign policy, the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict, and the history of ideas. He is the author of the new book, Kevin MacDonald’s Metaphysical Failure: A Philosophical, Historical, and Moral Critique of Evolutionary Psychology, Sociobiology, and Identity Politics. He teaches mathematics in South Korea.